rowand's rowdies Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 If lilli was our full time dh this year and we never signed dunn KW would have gotten crushed by every sox fan including myself. Now look I'm pretty sure we would be in first place or at least 3-4 games better with him in the lineup instead of dunn. maybe way more. weird how this game is sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Nice looking DP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 2 redeeming moves by the Elf for that first error. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Flowers with a good single up the middle, again. Gordon inside outs a ball to RF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Awful weekend for Morel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (since56 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 06:35 PM) Another Sox batter hit. Why not? Pitch inside all you want against the White Sox they never retaliate! Blame our pitchers. They have the ball in their hands. It could be a sign of what they really think of their teammates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 When we walk other teams' batters. Ouch. When we walk, normally don't matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Lillibomb is an interesting character. He's pretty much got a power hitter philosophy. If he played as much as Dunn, would he lead the Sox in homers? At this rate wouldn't he hit 30-35? Danks is wild now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Nice approach to Butler after falling behind. Nice job pitching around the leadoff walk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Juan Pierre with the bunt hit. He's a good baseball player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Juan Pierre with the bunt hit. He's a good baseball player. Corner outfielders who slug .337 are not good players. I'm glad he's less embarrassing lately, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:12 PM) Corner outfielders who slug .337 are not good players. I'm glad he's less embarrassing lately, though. I'll stand by my comment. He's a good baseball player and a good leadoff hitter. A lot of fans (not saying you) buried him after his first error of the season. On a team full of bums (this season) he's been excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 Wow, that was some sudden transition to being in shadow/cloud Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) I'll stand by my comment. He's a good baseball player and a good leadoff hitter. A lot of fans (not saying you) buried him after his first error of the season. On a team full of bums (this season) he's been excellent. There's no standard by which he's been excellent. On a team full of bums he's been tolerable if you ignore April and May and his fielding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) I'll stand by my comment. He's a good baseball player and a good leadoff hitter. A lot of fans (not saying you) buried him after his first error of the season. On a team full of bums (this season) he's been excellent. 0.1 WAR. He's not good defensively, has no power, and doesn't get on base frequently. He hits for a good average and runs well (not counting SB attempts where he hurts us). That doesn't add up to much of a player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) There's no standard by which he's been excellent. On a team full of bums he's been tolerable if you ignore April and May and his fielding. To the 80 percent of America who still follow batting average, his batting average is excellent. His defense is fine. His willingness to learn how to bunt and get a hit off a bunt is very excellent. He's a good ballplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) 0.1 WAR. He's not good defensively, has no power, and doesn't get on base frequently. He hits for a good average and runs well (not counting SB attempts where he hurts us). That doesn't add up to much of a player. I'd call 0.1 WAR tolerable. We could have lived with a few 0 WAR players if the guys we're paying a lot of money to had played to their salaries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:16 PM) 0.1 WAR. He's not good defensively, has no power, and doesn't get on base frequently. He hits for a good average and runs well (not counting SB attempts where he hurts us). That doesn't add up to much of a player. Arguably he's our third best hitter. That's pretty f***ing excellent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 02:17 PM) To the 80 percent of America who still follow batting average, his batting average is excellent. His defense is fine. His willingness to learn how to bunt and get a hit off a bunt is very excellent. He's a good ballplayer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:17 PM) To the 80 percent of America who still follow batting average, his batting average is excellent. His defense is fine. His willingness to learn how to bunt and get a hit off a bunt is very excellent. He's a good ballplayer. Juan Pierre is a better hitter than Reggie Jackson was. Got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:19 PM) Why laugh. He's got something like 17 bunt hits. You may not like the word "excellent." I can't believe anybody wouldn't at least agree that Juan Pierre is a good baseball player. Edited August 14, 2011 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:18 PM) Arguably he's our third best hitter. That's pretty f***ing excellent. For the record: better White Sox hitters by wOBA (which credits hitters for everything they do offensively based on the context neutral value it adds to run production). Konerko Quentin Flowers Lillibridge Castro Pierzynski Ramirez Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (MattZakrowski @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 07:24 PM) For the record: better White Sox hitters by wOBA (which credits hitters for everything they do offensively based on the context neutral value it adds to run production). Konerko Quentin Flowers Lillibridge Castro Pierzynski Ramirez You can take out Castro, Lilly and Flowers because they haven't played enough to compare to steady Juan. I'd disagree on Ramirez so that makes Juan fourth best on the team. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattZakrowski Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) You can take out Castro, Lilly and Flowers because they haven't played enough to compare to steady Juan. I'd disagree on Ramirez so that makes Juan fourth best on the team. Not bad. I see your point with Castro and Flowers (though Bridge is getting up there). And regarding Ramirez, are doubles, walks and home runs are meaningless to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted August 14, 2011 Share Posted August 14, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 14, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) You can take out Castro, Lilly and Flowers because they haven't played enough to compare to steady Juan. I'd disagree on Ramirez so that makes Juan fourth best on the team. Not bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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