The Ginger Kid Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 @CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini Herm sez team erring on side of caution and #WhiteSox were originally treating AJ's injury as a sprain. 10 more days best estimate on return Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 02:12 PM) That is the stuff that scares the s*** out of me. I said it months ago, but if we win this division with a terrible record (or even finish pretty close), there will be tons of people clamoring to keep Ozzie because he "kept us in it". Hey, give the guy some credit - he HAS kept us in it. (too soon?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 04:12 PM) That is the stuff that scares the s*** out of me. I said it months ago, but if we win this division with a terrible record (or even finish pretty close), there will be tons of people clamoring to keep Ozzie because he "kept us in it". Certainly, he should have benched Dunn or moved him down, but I think some decisions he can take complete credit for - like sticking with Pierre at leadoff despite the critics (.330/.366/.400/.766 post ASB). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobryansson Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) The scaphoid doesn't really heal faster, it's just that who have to be more careful with the immobilization. The scaphoid is shaped like a peanut and fractures usually occur in the middle, thinner part. The bone is really important to the wrist motion so you have to immobilize it longer to make sure you don't lose range of motion, this would be terrible for a ballplayer. This usually occurs in more obvious fractures, however it can occur in harder to detect ones. You misread. I include "scaphoid" after "others," as in the ones that sometimes don't heal as well, so require more careful observation & follow-up. That being said, what you say is true. And not to get pissy here, well, ok, to get pissy, the scariest problem with scaphoid fractures is with nonunion and avascular necrosis. The blood supply is mostly from the far to the near end and a fracure in the middle can disrupt the blood supply to the near end. When this happens the fracture can fail to heal and the fracture fragment at the near end can die. Whether we love or hate AJP, we'd like for this to not happen to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scenario Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 FWIW... Flowers' stat line in Charlotte this season... AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS .261 65 222 36 58 8 0 15 32 111 39 84 2 0 .390 .500 .890 Viciedo's... AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS 293 110 420 53 123 27 0 16 69 198 43 79 2 1 .364 .471 .835 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (bobryansson @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 04:34 PM) You misread. I include "scaphoid" after "others," as in the ones that sometimes don't heal as well, so require more careful observation & follow-up. That being said, what you say is true. And not to get pissy here, well, ok, to get pissy, the scariest problem with scaphoid fractures is with nonunion and avascular necrosis. The blood supply is mostly from the far to the near end and a fracure in the middle can disrupt the blood supply to the near end. When this happens the fracture can fail to heal and the fracture fragment at the near end can die. Whether we love or hate AJP, we'd like for this to not happen to him. Correct the AVN is the most serious problem that could occur. The resultant loss of stability and ROM will be the problem that AJ would need to deal with. However, if it was the scaphoid and the medical staff was worried about this, he probably would be scheduled for surgery and have a screw put in. Since they haven't done this and put him only on the 15 day DL my guess is that it isn't a significant fracture in the scaphoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 04:33 PM) Certainly, he should have benched Dunn or moved him down, but I think some decisions he can take complete credit for - like sticking with Pierre at leadoff despite the critics (.330/.366/.400/.766 post ASB). Again, perhaps if he benched Pierre for the first few weeks or month of the season, they could be a few games better. It works both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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The Ginger Kid Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (scenario @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) FWIW... Flowers' stat line in Charlotte this season... AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS .261 65 222 36 58 8 0 15 32 111 39 84 2 0 .390 .500 .890 Viciedo's... AVG G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI TB BB SO SB CS OBP SLG OPS 293 110 420 53 123 27 0 16 69 198 43 79 2 1 .364 .471 .835 NO f***ING TRIPLES? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 10:33 PM) Certainly, he should have benched Dunn or moved him down, but I think some decisions he can take complete credit for - like sticking with Pierre at leadoff despite the critics (.330/.366/.400/.766 post ASB). Hey a lot of people still don't want Pierre playing. Check the last game thread where I got mauled for merely suggesting Juan was a "good" baseball player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxrwhite Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 04:27 PM) Hey, give the guy some credit - he HAS kept us in it. (too soon?) Because of him or despite him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 He just said on CSN they'll re-evaluate in 10 days. If it's not healing correctly he'll probably need surgery and would be out for the year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Paw Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 it's time for dunn to get his head out of his ass. if he does, he'll more than make up for aj's production. if he doesn't, we wouldn't have caught up to detroit anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 16, 2011 Share Posted August 16, 2011 QUOTE (South Paw @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 06:53 PM) it's time for dunn to get his head out of his ass. if he does, he'll more than make up for aj's production. if he doesn't, we wouldn't have caught up to detroit anyways Seriously, it's time to give up on that happening this season. It's been 4 1/2 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 07:56 PM) Seriously, it's time to give up on that happening this season. It's been 4 1/2 months. Just like we've been saying sine May, it's hard to figure out how they can win this without him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 AJP is one who will be far more appreciated when he's gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) Just like we've been saying sine May, it's hard to figure out how they can win this without him. The answer is simple, and the same thing it has been since early in the season. Depend on the competition within the division to be just bad enough to allow us to sneak into the playoffs. The scary thing is that it is, in fact, quite possible. They might honestly be better off with Dunn on the bench and anyone else hitting in the DH spot on any given day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 10:21 PM) Hey a lot of people still don't want Pierre playing. Check the last game thread where I got mauled for merely suggesting Juan was a "good" baseball player. Juan is a good baseball player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) You're forgetting about Adam Dunn's brain injury and Alex Rios' heart injury. Perhaps the Wizard of Oz will fix them.... So that was the medical diagnosis on those two? I had no idea and I bet they had insurance too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 Chris Ianetta from Rockies prob available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ptatc Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (buhbuhburrrrlz @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) He just said on CSN they'll re-evaluate in 10 days. If it's not healing correctly he'll probably need surgery and would be out for the year. Then it most likely is the scaphoid, lunate or capitate. Those are the three bones which are the most important to wrist function. The most commonly fractured is the scaphoid which is the one that Quentin fractured a couple of years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Aug 16, 2011 -> 05:12 PM) NO f***ING TRIPLES? He was saving them for the bigs. Already has 1 in the books. Hopefully Tyler takes a hold of this chance. Would love to see him rake from here on out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 (edited) The Indians really didn't test Flowers (defensively) as much as one would have thought going into last night's game... Other than Carrera, there's not much speed on that team. Sizemore (when healthy) is a shadow of his former self. Brantley's a Denard Span-Lite, but nothing to get too excited about, either. http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,1341468.story Article on Flowers' efforts last night http://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseb...0,2585434.story Edited August 17, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 17, 2011 Share Posted August 17, 2011 http://www.csnchicago.com/08/16/11/DL-move...tm_medium=email DL move 'precautionary,' will drive A.J. 'crazy' On the good side, the Chicago White Sox placed catcher A.J. Pierzynski on the 15-day disabled list—retroactive to Aug. 13—as a precautionary measure, with trainer Herm Schneider indicating the team would “err on the side of caution.” On the bad side, that leaves Pierzynski with some 10 days or so to live with himself and his famous overactivity. Several times in his short comments to the media before Tuesday’s game the veteran referred to the fact that “I don’t know what to do with myself—I’m gonna drive somebody crazy” during his time off. While X-rays were negative when taken on Friday, when Pierzynski was injured when he turned into a Bruce Chen pitch in the third inning, getting tattooed on his left wrist. Though admittedly bummed over this surprise twist in his recovery from that Friday injury, Pierzynski proved his humor was still intact when asked what sort of therapy he could do while injured: “Therapy? [Like] talking to you [media]? There’s nothing you can do.” Tyler Flowers assumes the starter’s role in Pierzynski’s absence, with Triple-A Charlotte callup Donny Lucy assuming the backup duties through the end of the month. Flowers—called up a month ago when Ramon Castro was lost for the season with a multiple hand fracture—has had a nice debut as a regular for the White Sox, going 4-for-9 in this past weekend series with the Kansas City Royals, which included his first major league home run on Saturday. White Sox pitchers have a 3.00 ERA with Flowers behind the plate, and the fireplug backstop has thrown out .182 of steal attempts—both figures are small sample sizes but represent an increase on Chicago’s season marks. “We had a good series [vs. Kansas City] and I felt real comfortable behind the plate,” Flowers said. “That’s a good stepping stone into this. Hopefully it won’t take A.J. too long to get back—I kind of have the same job I did as a back-up, just trying to help the team win.” While there’s some concern about Flowers stepping into a starting role without knowing the pitching staff as well as Pierzynski, the normal backstop is pledging to tutor Flowers closely as a means of burning off all that extra DL energy. Flowers even admits that the toughest aspect of his job tonight is catching Gavin Floyd, who he’s never caught before in a game, starter John Danks dismisses too much worry over the transition. “At this point, we know what we’re trying to do,” Danks said. “I don’t anticipate the pitching staff falling apart with A.J. out.” “[i need to] prepare myself each day for whoever is pitching for us and for whoever is pitching for them, and do the best I can,” Flowers said. “You can’t put any more pressure on it than that. I don’t think A.J. or Castro is going to come back to take my job in the next week, so I have a little time. [There’s] nothing to worry about; just play my game and do the best I can.” The 34-year-old Pierzynski has caught 11,950 2/3 innings in his career (ranking 19th all-time since 1946) without appearing on the DL. He leads the AL in batting average among catchers (.296, fueled by a .326 run over his last 74 games and a 11-for-18 hot streak leading up to his injury), games (103) and innings caught (862 1/3). “Obviously I never wanted to go on the DL, and I never have been on the DL, so I’m upset, angry, frustrated,” Pierzynski said of his injury. “An inch here or an inch there would have been different … The hardest part is I can’t do anything to help the team for two weeks.” Schneider said that he initially treated the injury as a sprain, but when some hand specialists were called in to look at what Pierzynski was terming a “hairline fracture,” the club opted to disable him as a precautionary measure. The trainer also said that the best-case scenario would find Pierzynski healthy and able to begin taking swings—the trickier part of his recovery, according to the hand experts—10 days from now. That’s a scenario Pierzynski plans on fulfilling, providing he doesn’t drive himself crazy with inactivity first. “[Ten days] is realistic in my mind,” said Pierzynski, who added that he will wear a cast to immobilize and speed healing on the wrist, as well as get strength coach Allen Thomas to up his cardio and leg work to stay in game-ready shape. “There are some differing camps on that, but we’ll test it in 10 days.” Lucy is hitting .158 at Charlotte, with four homers and nine RBI in 40 games. “We had a doubleheader down in Charlotte yesterday. I was driving home and it was about 12 o’clock at night. Buddy [bell, Chicago farm director] called me and was like, ‘We are going to need you up in Chicago,’” Lucy said. “I was like, ‘All right.’ So, I turned around and got all packed up and got in [Chicago] around noon.” The second round pick of the White Sox in 2002 has played in 15 career games with the big club and will wear No. 55. “This is my eighth year with the organization,” Lucy said. “I know a lot of the guys here. I know a lot of the pitchers, and then being in spring training all the way to the end, that definitely helps too, being more comfortable with the team. It’s definitely nice. It’s a more comfortable transition.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen AAA thumper Viciedo injured hand last night, tests today; specialist checking pierzynski wrist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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