Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:40 PM) The point the objectors to Ozzie are making is even if he had to play Rios and Dunn to "get them out of their slumps", he didn't need to be putting them in the spots usually reserved for run producers. And if they weren't...give them a week off. Or if they don't hustle...stop giving them playing time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) This would be a worst case scenario, as Ozzie's ego would grow bigger and Walker would likely be brought back. IMO, Walker will NOT be back. He's gonna walk away after this season. (without actually taking a walk...as he doesn't value .OBP enough...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) And if they weren't...give them a week off. Or if they don't hustle...stop giving them playing time! In the name of all that is good in baseball...^ +1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 IMO, Walker will NOT be back. He's gonna walk away after this season. (without actually taking a walk...as he doesn't value .OBP enough...) Didn't Dusty Baker as well, when he was on the NorthSide of the city? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 And if they weren't...give them a week off. Or if they don't hustle...stop giving them playing time! In old school ball, yeah that makes sense.. But, when you are making 12.5 Million, is it a big deal to you, esp when it isn't a "walk" year? I agree they should, but does that do anything anymore, is my question? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:52 PM) In old school ball, yeah that makes sense.. But, when you are making 12.5 Million, is it a big deal to you, esp when it isn't a "walk" year? I agree they should, but does that do anything anymore, is my question? If it's not a big deal to Alexis...then he can sit down until it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) And if they weren't...give them a week off. Or if they don't hustle...stop giving them playing time! That would be my first inclination. However, I'm wondering which is more embarrassing and / or motivating to a guy with a $$$$$$$$ contract. Not playing or playing like crap in front of 25,000 fans? Is he going to work harder to get back into the line up or work harder to not look like crap? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 05:26 PM) Do you believe that a manager can have any impact on a player's performance? Of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) If it's not a big deal to Alexis...then he can sit down until it is. Are you okay with making Rios a 12.5million Bench player then? And do you think/believe that a different manager would make this team a playoff club.. If so who, and why? Edited September 7, 2011 by VictoryMC98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:06 PM) Are you okay with making Rios a 12.5million Bench player then? And do you think/believe that a different manager would make this team a playoff club.. If so who, and why? Right now yes. de Aza is clearly outplaying and outworking him. Play the guy who wants to play. For another example, adam Dunn just sloth walked it on trying to field a popup rather than running. That's a take the guy out move at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) Right now yes. de Aza is clearly outplaying and outworking him. Play the guy who wants to play. For another example, adam Dunn just sloth walked it on trying to field a popup rather than running. That's a take the guy out move at this point. Right now sure, but I am talking about May/June time, when the Sox.. were still "All IN", and they needed them. I saw that play, with Dunn that is.. and at this point its moot... The Sox season is done.. Also didn't they just sit him for a week.. Its not like anything has changed has it? And lastly.. Dunn isn't known for his fielding ability.. I don't know if you missed it, but I would like to know who would be a better fit for this club this year in your view as a manager.. and why? Edited September 7, 2011 by VictoryMC98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 If you don't believe managers can make a difference....then look at all the positive energy around the DBacks, Indians, Brewers and Braves, for a few examples. Nationals too, although the letting go of Riggleman was more about wanting to have a different manager for Strasburg, Harper, etc. Sometimes you just have to change the status quo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:25 PM) Right now sure, but I am talking about May/June time, when the Sox.. were still "All IN", and they needed them. I saw that play, with Dunn that is.. and at this point its moot... The Sox season is done.. Also didn't they just sit him for a week.. Its not like anything has changed has it? And lastly.. Dunn isn't known for his fielding ability.. I don't know if you missed it, but I would like to know who would be a better fit for this club this year in your view as a manager.. and why? Unfortunately, calling that is above my pay grade. I don't know bench coaches for many teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Unfortunately, calling that is above my pay grade. I don't know bench coaches for many teams. Fair enough, so is this solely Ozzie's fault? Or does Kenny get blamed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:32 PM) Fair enough, so is this solely Ozzie's fault? Or does Kenny get blamed? Ozzies fault is plain to the eye. Kenny...I still say I don't know how much control he's had over the roster. If he can't even fire the manager, or the hitting coach, then I don't know who to blame for the personnel moves. Some of these decisions may have been the Chairman. Kennys blame to me depends on what exactly he told JR last offseason. If he expressed enough doubt and JR said go ahead anyway to try to protect Ozzie... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Ozzies fault is plain to the eye. Kenny...I still say I don't know how much control he's had over the roster. If he can't even fire the manager, or the hitting coach, then I don't know who to blame for the personnel moves. Some of these decisions may have been the Chairman. Kennys blame to me depends on what exactly he told JR last offseason. If he expressed enough doubt and JR said go ahead anyway to try to protect Ozzie... I think it all starts at the top and trickles down. This IMO is Kenny's version of a team.. this is what he wanted. Kenny is on the hook, just as last year Ozzie was on the hook for his version of a team. If this year doesn't win 88 games, or better.. I am willing to Rid the team of Kenny, and follow what the Cubs just did.. or about to do, look for a GM who understands player development, the rushing up of Gordon, is just bad. We all know the Sox Payroll is depended on Wins, and staying healthy.. Just image how bad this team would be if Paulie was out for 15 dl? And since we can't predict staying healthy esp, when the core is getting older and can't play like they did 6 years ago.. I think all fans micro-manage every single action of Ozzie/their manager of another, but overall Ozzie is given the hand he is dealt. I still see him as a top 10 manager in baseball right now. It seems from your post we beg to differ, which is great.. I like to get different view points. Which is why I said early on.. I know I am in the minority. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Well, no matter what side of the conspiracy you're on...KW or Ozzie/JR, you shall get your answers soon enough in the offseason, one would hope. I don't think JR is stupid enough as a businessman to dare risk bringing his entire management team intact for 2012 (along with Rios and Dunn guaranteed starting roles, and without Mark Buehrle)....unless he wants to plummet to 12-18,000 in attendance per night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Caulfield, I agree, I don't think both are back.. But, if the Sox Fire Ozzie, and the team does worse.. then what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Did anyone think we were strong enough at DH last season? That the team didn't need to go out and get someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Did anyone think we were strong enough at DH last season? That the team didn't need to go out and get someone? I didn't state that, but was that the #1 problem last year the DH? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) The point the objectors to Ozzie are making is even if he had to play Rios and Dunn to "get them out of their slumps", he didn't need to be putting them in the spots usually reserved for run producers. The sad thing is they weren't the only 2 easy outs in the lineup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 11:02 PM) I didn't state that, but was that the #1 problem last year the DH? Some people want to believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:31 PM) Caulfield, I agree, I don't think both are back.. But, if the Sox Fire Ozzie, and the team does worse.. then what? Kenny probably stays but not as GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Kenny probably stays but not as GM. I know, I saw Chicago Tribune Live.. And they mention him moving up, and Hahn taking over.. Which I don't know why you do that. Jerry is too loyal IMO to anyone it seems, which is a huge downfall in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/670-the-score-interviews/# Listen to the Ken Rosenthal interview on M&H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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