jenksycat Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 01:41 AM) The average Sox fan obviously isn't an internet message board user. Ozzie is not hated by most. Nobody has yet proven to me how a team can have a better record than we have with Peavy, Rios and Dunn. Pro-tip for you: don't play Rios/Dunn ever again this season and odds are quite high the team will be better. I'd love to see you defend the 9th inning yesterday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I wish you people would all just ignore him, and I'm not talking about Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 01:41 AM) The average Sox fan obviously isn't an internet message board user. Ozzie is not hated by most. Nobody has yet proven to me how a team can have a better record than we have with Peavy, Rios and Dunn. and with beckham and morel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 31, 2011 -> 11:41 PM) The average Sox fan obviously isn't an internet message board user. Ozzie is not hated by most. Nobody has yet proven to me how a team can have a better record than we have with Peavy, Rios and Dunn. I just think we're the hardcore die hards here on Soxtalk. Baseball has always been my 1st love as a sport though I played way more basketball. The Sox always my favorite Chicago team from early in my youth. That World Series win means everything to Sox fans less demanding than most of us. It means a helluva lot to me too as I come from a long line of Sox fans but enough is enough already. I was so used to the Sox losing year after year and being the butt of jokes with their uniform changes and lived through times where it appeared there would be no more Chicago White Sox baseball when there were strong attempts to move the franchise. When you grow up with all that I can understand why that WS win means so much. Soxtalk has a much younger though still die hard core. If they had gone through with the Sox what many older fans have their perspective would be different. All that being said. Last night was the straw that not only broke the camels back but blew the camel into millions of little pieces. Edited September 1, 2011 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:40 AM) Pro-tip for you: don't play Rios/Dunn ever again this season and odds are quite high the team will be better. I'd love to see you defend the 9th inning yesterday. He won't because he can't, that was one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen a manager make... Earth to Ozzie, Dunn isn't just having an off year, his suckiness is historically bad, you do not PH Dunn for ANYONE at this point, numb nuts! FIRE OZZIE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (MexSoxFan#1 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:02 AM) He won't because he can't, that was one of the dumbest moves I have ever seen a manager make... Earth to Ozzie, Dunn isn't just having an off year, his suckiness is historically bad, you do not PH Dunn for ANYONE at this point, numb nuts! FIRE OZZIE Maybe back in early July you could roll Dunn up there hoping he gets pitched around and draws a walk. Everybody in baseball, including bat boys and mascots, knows that Dunn cannot hit a baseball right now. Well, I guess everyone but Ozzie knows. If Dunn is having an historically bad year, Ozzie's move have Dunn PH was an historically bad move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shlammajamma Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Guys, greg is obviously a troll.... There is no way somebody can be that unreasonable. Ozzie could kill a player and he'd find a reason to defend him. "You wouldn't commit murder with the team the sox have now? Kenny deserves just as much blame if not more." He has to be a troll. just ignore him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (shlammajamma @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:17 AM) Guys, greg is obviously a troll.... There is no way somebody can be that unreasonable. Ozzie could kill a player and he'd find a reason to defend him. "You wouldn't commit murder with the team the sox have now? Kenny deserves just as much blame if not more." He has to be a troll. just ignore him. And comments like these generally are ridiculous. I'll leave it at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:08 AM) Maybe back in early July you could roll Dunn up there hoping he gets pitched around and draws a walk. Everybody in baseball, including bat boys and mascots, knows that Dunn cannot hit a baseball right now. Well, I guess everyone but Ozzie knows. If Dunn is having an historically bad year, Ozzie's move have Dunn PH was an historically bad move. The funny thing was I saw it coming I said to the guy I was watching the game with " do you think Ozzie will put Dunn up here" as sort of a half joke. My mind had already processed 1) Ozzie prefers veterans 2) Dunn is LH, pitcher is RH, Lillibridge is RH and 3) despite his very good August stats has been nothing more than a defensive replacement the few games prior to his start . A second after I asked before my friend could answer the camera switched to Dunn in the on deck circle. At that point I blurted out " No way " !!! Then I saw things in the game thread about Lillibridge had homered off Nathan last time the Sox played the Twins which I had forgotten and RH's hit Nathan better which I also was unaware of but surely a ML manager should know and at least have at his fingertips from advanced stats and/or coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:25 AM) The funny thing was I saw it coming I said to the guy I was watching the game with " do you think Ozzie will put Dunn up here" as sort of a half joke. My mind had already processed 1) Ozzie prefers veterans 2) Dunn is LH, pitcher is RH, Lillibridge is RH and 3) despite his very good August stats has been nothing more than a defensive replacement the few games prior to his start . A second after I asked before my friend could answer the camera switched to Dunn in the on deck circle. At that point I blurted out " No way " !!! Then I saw things in the game thread about Lillibridge had homered off Nathan last time the Sox played the Twins which I had forgotten and RH's hit Nathan better which I also was unaware of but surely a ML manager should know and at least have at his fingertips from advanced stats and/or coaches. Ozzie Bevington doesn't believe in stats. It's all about his gut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MexSoxFan#1 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:33 AM) Ozzie Bevington doesn't believe in stats. It's all about his gut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) I missed the play in question (I had resigned that we were losing this game in the 5th inning), but given everything it's one of the worst in-game moves of his career. I won't disagree that Ozzie makes terrible in-game decisions in general. I just don't know how many other managers make good ones. The sad thing is that the team couldn't really be playing much better right now in terms of W/L over the past three weeks. Det just can't lose enough for us right now. In a vacuum, all of us would obviously take 2/3 from any series (and certainly 16 of 24) If we lose friday the season is over. Edited September 1, 2011 by Greg Hibbard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:33 AM) Ozzie Bevington doesn't believe in stats. It's all about his gut. Maybe he should use his brain once in a while. Eh, nevermind, scratch that too. It's just so crazy now seeing Soxtalkers saying numerous times they truly believe Ozzie is putting his own agenda before the team. That thought has crossed my mind too but that would be a banned from baseball offense if proven which of course it can't be. But I really wonder sometimes if that isn't the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 08:41 AM) I missed the play in question (I had resigned that we were losing this game in the 5th inning), but given everything it's one of the worst in-game moves of his career. I won't disagree that Ozzie makes terrible in-game decisions in general. I just don't know how many other managers make good ones. The sad thing is that the team couldn't really be playing much better right now in terms of W/L over the past three weeks. Det just can't lose enough for us right now. In a vacuum, all of us would obviously take 2/3 from any series (and certainly 16 of 24) If we lose friday the season is over. I know you get a lot of undeserved grief around here for supposedly Kool-Aid views. I kept watching because I always do and the previous game they had come back twice from 3 run deficits to win and the Knight Sox connection has dramatically changed this team. If you watch TV sports news I really didn't see the move discussed at all except for Comcast calling it a "curious" decision but not going into detail about it. MLB network said nothing about it at all but they have so many games to cover and spend only a few minutes showing highlights for each game. I have yet to read online or blog accounts of the move though I will shortly. Southsidesox.com is the best when it comes to commentary on the Sox. Don't we have to face Verlander on Friday ? I won't say that's a make or break game so I might be even more optimistic than you but if we do lose on Friday just gotta win the remaining 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I did just realize we face Verlander on Friday. Yeah, I guess it's the one "can-lose" game, but we must take 2/3 somehow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) Maybe he should use his brain once in a while. Eh, nevermind, scratch that too. It's just so crazy now seeing Soxtalkers saying numerous times they truly believe Ozzie is putting his own agenda before the team. That thought has crossed my mind too but that would be a banned from baseball offense if proven which of course it can't be. But I really wonder sometimes if that isn't the case. I truly believe it is at this point. And yeah he would be banned...but how could you possibly prove it unless he admitted to it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 BALTA can you pull the following information Sox team projected WAR at the start of the season The current White Sox WAR This will give us an indication as to what kind of job guillen is doing and what kind of job he should have been doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Also, do Harry's laundry and walk his dogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 10:47 AM) Maybe he should use his brain once in a while. Eh, nevermind, scratch that too. It's just so crazy now seeing Soxtalkers saying numerous times they truly believe Ozzie is putting his own agenda before the team. That thought has crossed my mind too but that would be a banned from baseball offense if proven which of course it can't be. But I really wonder sometimes if that isn't the case. Dan Bernstein on the radio made some compelling points yesterday about that topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) Also, do Harry's laundry and walk his dogs. I don't have a dog he was run over by a car in May Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Hibbard Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:27 AM) BALTA can you pull the following information Sox team projected WAR at the start of the season The current White Sox WAR This will give us an indication as to what kind of job guillen is doing and what kind of job he should have been doing. Many players have cost this organization games when it was appropriate for Ozzie to be starting those players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Greg Hibbard @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) Many players have cost this organization games when it was appropriate for Ozzie to be starting those players. You're right . We had that stinky stretch from April to May where we lost 18 out of 24. Still the division was there for the taking if management had stopped relying on Dunn and Rios much earlier. Not April and May but by the end of June early July hell even the All star break or trade deadline would have made a difference if we can use how De Aza and Viciedo are doing now as a guage. Edited September 1, 2011 by CaliSoxFanViaSWside Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Where does Peavy get off talking about how he just wants to get to the off season so he can return to normal? What a f***ing asshole. I've been a defender of this guy up to today but no more, not after those remarks he made. Narcissistic jag. The Tigers magic # is what, 24? And this guy is talking like it's over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) BALTA can you pull the following information Sox team projected WAR at the start of the season The current White Sox WAR This will give us an indication as to what kind of job guillen is doing and what kind of job he should have been doing. The WAR projections are seemingly more than I can do, Fangraphs doesn't appear to publish that except based on fan voting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 I will add...PECOTA had the White SOX in 3rd place, as a .500 team, because it predicted a falloff from an aging Paul Konerko. So the Sox are slightly outperforming PECOTA on record, but their run differential (-2) is right where Pecota thought it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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