The Ginger Kid Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 12:15 PM) Where the hell is JR in all of this? Take some action for once. How many years of this crap between Ozzie, Kenny, and Marty34 do we have to live through? If how he handled the Bulls is any indication, it will get ugly first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 (edited) What was said about T. Braxton? Probably just another past-their-prime former superstar that KW pursued, is that what the story is? Edited September 2, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) What was said about T. Braxton? Probably just another past-their-prime former superstar that KW pursued It was in his whole Holly.wood thing. Supposedly he was hanging around Toni Braxton, or worse if Joe is trying to imply something, and that is part of the evidence that Kenny has forgotten where he came from, whatever that means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Cowley brought it up several times while accusing KW of getting personal in the same sentence. It was pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:33 PM) Cowley brought it up several times while accusing KW of getting personal in the same sentence. It was pretty good. More the irony that laced that whole conversation really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) That also doesn't make any sense. Don't they need Ozzie more as a source since they talk to him every day? Why would they write negatives about Oz then? Manager has daily press conferences. GM can more or less pick and choose who he talks too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:32 PM) What was said about T. Braxton? Probably just another past-their-prime former superstar that KW pursued, is that what the story is? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:35 PM) Manager has daily press conferences. GM can more or less pick and choose who he talks too. Exactly. So being negative about the manager who you need to survive daily should be worse than the guy you need to talk to say once a month. It doesn't make sense otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Of course he is implying worse. Either Joe or a guillen tweeted last year about KW being out on the town with an anchorwoman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) Exactly. So being negative about the manager who you need to survive daily should be worse than the guy you need to talk to say once a month. It doesn't make sense otherwise. The big stories come from the GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) The big stories come from the GM. Then I guess Cowley is lashing out and attacking the GM because he blew his access and is a petulant child. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) The big stories come from the GM. Not with Ozzie as the manager... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) Then I guess Cowley is lashing out and attacking the GM because he blew his access and is a petulant child. Maybe. Seems as though Cowley has another source in the front office because in the interview he said he goes to Guillen and says "here is what I'm hearing . . ." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:45 PM) Maybe. Seems as though Cowley has another source in the front office because in the interview he said he goes to Guillen and says "here is what I'm hearing . . ." He actually was talking about players as being his primary stuff. I am going with it being obvious AJ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:42 PM) Not with Ozzie as the manager... The manager talks to all the beat reporters at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Cowley thinks KW didn't have the balls to get rid of Pierre? WTF? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:48 PM) He actually was talking about players as being his primary stuff. I am going with it being obvious AJ. Players too. I thought it was AJ ehen he said a prominent player pulled him aside in the clubhouse and said he was happy he ripped the GM. AJ was in Charlotte though Wednesday, right? Next guess then would be Buehrle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:49 PM) The manager talks to all the beat reporters at the same time. And if you piss the manager off you have no daily source of information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Cowley SUCKS!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shakes Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Cowley's true colors really shine through in these type of interviews. He is just a petulant child running around causing trouble screaming until someone listens. He clearly can't get enough attention, and it sure looks like he is just angling for a spot on one of the ESPN shout shows. What a low life threatening to blow up Kenny's personal life. It's not a beat writers job to learn all of the things in a locker room about the players and front office personal life and hang it over them. I'm sure he is correct in saying other writers know about it, but don't report it, because that stuff is off the record and off limits, for the most part, and others have some integrity regarding their professions. I'm sorry but I refuse to call him a journalist. Speigel doesn't come off great, but I thought he showed some restraint, and he is right about Joe inserting himself into the story, and relying on Ozzie and his inner circle. Really, that is nothing new for the Sun Times and why I stopped reading it years ago. Objectivity is no longer a goal, but an obstacle at that paper. I hope when Ozzie talks himself out of town Joe follows, but the Sun Times will just replace him with another clown. The self congratulations by that guy may be the worst part. I feel dirty after listening to that interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) BAM! http://chicago.cbslocal.com/show/the-mcnei...d-spiegel-show/ Is there a link for a mobile player? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 Spiegel. Man, I already liked him. Cowley just destroyed himself and Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (shakes @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 03:41 PM) Cowley's true colors really shine through in these type of interviews. He is just a petulant child running around causing trouble screaming until someone listens. He clearly can't get enough attention, and it sure looks like he is just angling for a spot on one of the ESPN shout shows. What a low life threatening to blow up Kenny's personal life. It's not a beat writers job to learn all of the things in a locker room about the players and front office personal life and hang it over them. I'm sure he is correct in saying other writers know about it, but don't report it, because that stuff is off the record and off limits, for the most part, and others have some integrity regarding their professions. I'm sorry but I refuse to call him a journalist. Speigel doesn't come off great, but I thought he showed some restraint, and he is right about Joe inserting himself into the story, and relying on Ozzie and his inner circle. Really, that is nothing new for the Sun Times and why I stopped reading it years ago. Objectivity is no longer a goal, but an obstacle at that paper. I hope when Ozzie talks himself out of town Joe follows, but the Sun Times will just replace him with another clown. The self congratulations by that guy may be the worst part. I feel dirty after listening to that interview. So you'd prefer he did not report on the fact that these guys don't like each other and there is a power struggle going on? I want to know as much information as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:19 PM) So you'd prefer he did not report on the fact that these guys don't like each other and there is a power struggle going on? I want to know as much information as possible. I'd prefer a "reporter" not be a mouth-piece for one particular side of the story and not continually insult the other side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 2, 2011 Share Posted September 2, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:23 PM) I'd prefer a "reporter" not be a mouth-piece for one particular side of the story and not continually insult the other side. So what if he's a mouth-piece for one side. It still provides insight on what's going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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