southsider2k5 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Just because there really isn't much else to do... Who do you think has the better career for the Sox, and why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Zach Stewart, because he's got several years on Philip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Stewart. It's karma for the Hudson/Jackson saga. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:28 AM) Stewart. It's karma for the Hudson/Jackson saga. It'll be interesting to see what happens if Stewart ends up as productive or better than Hudson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I voted for Humber, but only because I love stories like his. Plus the guy has been hit by a line drive in like the last three games he's pitched. He deserves my support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:40 AM) I voted for Humber, but only because I love stories like his. Plus the guy has been hit by a line drive in like the last three games he's pitched. He deserves my support. There us too small a sample size for me guess. Humber pitched well earlier having very low era leading the team. It has only been of late he has faltered. Zack seems too have good stuff against a demoralized Minnesota team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ILMOU Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Good thread, tough call. Seems like Zach has a bit more upside - can Coop teach him another pitch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 I voted for Stewart, mainly because of his age. Humber may be good for quite a while, but we've seen guys like this before. Think Loaiza. I'd like to see both starting next year, at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Tie. Keep both of them. In the future we will be comparing the duo Stewart/Humber to a pair like Halladay/Cliff Lee..Well.hopefully.....lol. Both have potential. Humber has overall had the better year this year. Stewart owns the Twins which could give him a team that you can try to have him start against 5-6 times in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 Stewart, no doubt in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 02:29 PM) It'll be interesting to see what happens if Stewart ends up as productive or better than Hudson. We'd all be very very happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kwolf68 Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 09:29 AM) It'll be interesting to see what happens if Stewart ends up as productive or better than Hudson. I hope he does, as I am a White Sox fan, but in my view Hudson is the better pitcher at this point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 6, 2011 Share Posted September 6, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 06:23 PM) Stewart, no doubt in my mind. Humber, no doubt in my mind Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I think you need to see more of both especially in pressure situations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I hope these guys have "it" next April. These things can go year to year from guys without a track record. For all we know, Phil could get lit up next year just like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Stewart. Humber screams one year fluke IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (SoxAce @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 05:59 AM) Stewart. Humber screams one year fluke IMO. That's my fear. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wallyburger Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Zach Stewart would get my vote, but he might do it for some other club if Kenny is still around to trade him for another aging washed up DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 I am surprised Stewart is that far ahead after the year that Phil has put up. Humber strikes me as the Gavin Floyd or Jon Garland type of pitcher. Not much emotion or special stuff, but really seems to be a thinker, sometimes to his own detriment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) Humber, no doubt in my mind I really like Humber and think he'll be a solid #3/#4. Not sure Stewart will be any better than that. Since I"ve seen more to like out of Humber this year than Stewart, I'll go with Humber. I like Stewart, don't love him, and still think there is a shot he ends up being a better reliever than a starter. It will be interesting to see though. The big thing I like about Humber is he has the better "plus" pitch out of the two guys (his curve is just nasty). Plus he seems to get nice movement on his fastball and his command has been good. I see no reason Humber can't continue to improve and pitch like he did a good chunk of the year. Heck the only real time he struggled is as he started to fatigue. After building innings this year and with a good off-season of working out, he can be in much better shape and hopefully improve his stamina. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 03:52 PM) I really like Humber and think he'll be a solid #3/#4. Not sure Stewart will be any better than that. Since I"ve seen more to like out of Humber this year than Stewart, I'll go with Humber. I like Stewart, don't love him, and still think there is a shot he ends up being a better reliever than a starter. It will be interesting to see though. The big thing I like about Humber is he has the better "plus" pitch out of the two guys (his curve is just nasty). Plus he seems to get nice movement on his fastball and his command has been good. I see no reason Humber can't continue to improve and pitch like he did a good chunk of the year. Heck the only real time he struggled is as he started to fatigue. After building innings this year and with a good off-season of working out, he can be in much better shape and hopefully improve his stamina. Completely agree...Humber has much better secondary stuff. I loved seeing the stat earlier today that Stewart's change-up is much more effective than his curve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 10:54 AM) Completely agree...Humber has much better secondary stuff. I loved seeing the stat earlier today that Stewart's change-up is much more effective than his curve. We're drawing conclusions about the effectiveness of secondary pitches in 8 outings by a sinkerballer, only half of which were starts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 7, 2011 Author Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 11:54 AM) We're drawing conclusions about the effectiveness of secondary pitches in 8 outings by a sinkerballer, only half of which were starts? I know, much more patience than usual. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 05:54 PM) We're drawing conclusions about the effectiveness of secondary pitches in 8 outings by a sinkerballer, only half of which were starts? Well, we always talk about the eye test and the metric test...and those stats confirmed that Stewart's curveball is extremely mediocre. Nothing frustrated me more with Garland than when he got hammered on his offspeed pitches when they clearly weren't close to being as effective as his sinker. Edited September 7, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 7, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) I know, much more patience than usual. Stewart was absolutely painting the outside corner at the knees with something offspeed that was either a slider or a curveball on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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