Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:30 PM) Defensive metrics are unreliable. 75% of overturned death penalty convictions involve overturning eewitness testimony. Metrics are a lot more reliable than your eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 nice to see all these young twins players. Always good to know who I'll be hating for the next few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) 75% of overturned death penalty convictions involve overturning eewitness testimony. Metrics are a lot more reliable than your eyes. How is range factor determined? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) 75% of overturned death penalty convictions involve overturning eewitness testimony. Metrics are a lot more reliable than your eyes. Not when it comes to shortstop play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) How is range factor determined? I believe that one is outs produced divided by chances. That one is 5 years out of date anyway. For things like UZR they actually review plays like the ones you're talking about to see if a play could have been made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:37 PM) I believe that one is outs produced divided by chances. That one is 5 years out of date anyway. For things like UZR they actually review plays like the ones you're talking about to see if a play could have been made. So they look at them with their eyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:36 PM) Not when it comes to shortstop play. He is not as good as he could be, but he's still one of the best in the league and the best we've had save maybe 05 Uribe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 LOL @ Dunn! Granted, it was hit hard, but geez... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:38 PM) So they look at them with their eyes? And base whether or not the out should have been made based on positioning, speed, and distance. In a few years there will be computer data on player positioning at the start of plays and batted ball velocity that will make this easy. (Field F/X). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:40 PM) And base whether or not the out should have been made based on positioning, speed, and distance. In a few years there will be computer data on player positioning at the start of plays and batted ball velocity that will make this easy. (Field F/X). It will be interesting to see how that effects the results. I believe in some metrics, I also beleive in the eye test. Alexei could win the GG every year, but he makes too many plays like the 2 he made tonight. Its going to happen once in a while, but he is so afraid of baserunners its almost pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) It will be interesting to see how that effects the results. I believe in some metrics, I also beleive in the eye test. Alexei could win the GG every year, but he makes too many plays like the 2 he made tonight. Its going to happen once in a while, but he is so afraid of baserunners its almost pathetic. If it wasn't for the careless plays he'd win the GG easy (or at least deserve Jeters GG). But that doesn't mean he's had a bad season. Morel Walked!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:43 PM) It will be interesting to see how that effects the results. I believe in some metrics, I also beleive in the eye test. Alexei could win the GG every year, but he makes too many plays like the 2 he made tonight. Its going to happen once in a while, but he is so afraid of baserunners its almost pathetic. Afraid to go back on pop ups too. Four or five dropped in that should not have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:51 PM) Afraid to go back on pop ups too. Four or five dropped in that should not have. That's mostly because the LF can't field and doesn't call people off so he never knows if he's about to be run over. No fair blaming him for Pierre being bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshPR Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 That's not a gold glover Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:53 PM) That's mostly because the LF can't field and doesn't call people off so he never knows if he's about to be run over. No fair blaming him for Pierre being bad. No, same problem with pop ups to center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 WHOA - get a load of Chris Parmalee's wife on the twins broadcast Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:54 PM) No, same problem with pop ups to center. The SS should not be fielding popups to center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 You just can't contain Rios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 wonder what Dunn thinks of this season so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubba Philips Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 QUOTE (The Ginger Kid @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 07:57 PM) You just can't contain Rios It looked like Rios until the ball was hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsoxsoxsox Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 rios finally looked like he has a normal stance and hand position Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 Dunn's just going thru the motions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 @CSNChi_Beatnik Brett Ballantini Hawk points out that the play "could" have been made by Adam Dunn. For a homer, Hawk is not shy about his disdain for Dunn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ginger Kid Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 I'm so f***ing disgusted with Adam Dunn right now -- I didn't think the disgust meter could go any lower but his "effort" in the field tonight is that of a petulant little b**** from the babe ruth league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 7, 2011 Share Posted September 7, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (forrestg @ Sep 6, 2011 -> 08:02 PM) It looked like Rios until the ball was hit. ??? Waiting for the inevitable middle innings Jake Peavy blow-up. It will be nice to have all of our starting pitchers under a 5.00 ERA after tonight's game. Edited September 7, 2011 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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