southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:11 PM) Courtesy of Hawk Harrelson! yeah, again, you guys haven't seen a bad GM either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) yeah, again, you guys haven't seen a bad GM either. If only he had Bevington as his manager. We might have won 20 games in a season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:13 PM) yeah, again, you guys haven't seen a bad GM either. That's just unfair. Nobody can attain that level of suck ever again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:14 PM) That's just unfair. Nobody can attain that level of suck ever again. But he was aggressive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (chw42 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:12 PM) I like how you went through all that trouble to make a point. Well done sir. Well I didn't think a synopsis was necessary. Most situations should be obvious. But I'll play: Orioles? Wieters Yankees? Russell Martin and multiple catching prospects that are close. Rays? Would never take on that salary. Red Sox? They have arguably a better catcher in Saltalamacchia at a fraction of the cost. Jays? J.P Arencibia; Travis D'Arnaud in the minors. Indians? Santana Twins? Mauer and if not Mauer, do you really think they want AJ back? Tigers? Avila Royals? Makes no sense for them and they're going to give Salvador Sanchez every chance to prove himself. Indians? Santana Rangers? Napoli/Torrealba Angels? Missed this one. MAYBE they'd have interest. A's? Suzuki Mariners? Olivo Braves? McCann Phillies? Ruiz Nationals? Ramos Marlins? Buck Mets? Paulino/Thole Cardinals? Molina Brewers? Lucroy Reds? Hernandez; multiple elite catching prospects in the minors Cubs? Soto and they would never trade for him anyway Pirates? Makes no sense Astros? Makes no sense D-backs? Montero Giants? Posey Rockies? Ianetta Dodgers? Barajas and wouldn't touch AJ's salary Padres? Wouldn't touch his salary and makes no sense for them Edited September 8, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 OMG a guy that wants to play and not sit on his ass and loaf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 04:52 PM) It's been made pretty clear that this statement is completely wrong. AJ is really uncomfortable with having a potential "Replacement" around, and he doesn't seem like the gentlest teaching personality anyway. But I can't remember ever having seen an article about how AJ was taking Flowers under his wing in Spring Training or anything like that. Heck, this article is dripping with that sentiment...AJ wants to be the starter, he knows that as of right now he deserves to be a starting catcher, his body can take it and he's one of the top 20 producers in MLB at the catching position...why shouldn't he play a few more years and why should he have to take a seat for the kid... I believe there was an article quoting Flowers on how AJ has been helping him adjust, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 05:48 PM) OMG a guy that wants to play and not sit on his ass and loaf. I know that is hard for some to accept Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:49 PM) I believe there was an article quoting Flowers on how AJ has been helping him adjust, http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=2462362 about half way through the article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) http://www.soxtalk.com/forums/index.php?s=...t&p=2462362 about half way through the article. But who knows what is actually fluff and what is real? I'm not saying that this for sure isn't true, but there were strong hints before that AJ would have no part in mentoring Flowers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 AJ is not the reason for the lousy year that the Sox had. Primary culprits are the two clowns in the middle of the batting order (Rios/Dunn) and the GM who got them. When it became obvious the Sox were not going anywhere, I was hoping for a minor overhaul, and we had a start with moving Jackson, Teahan and finally bringing up DeAza, Flowers, and Viciedo. With Giants missing their great catcher Posey, yet still contending, I was hopeful that we could make a deal with them for AJ. After what the Giants gave up for Beltran, we could have gotten something significant, or so I thought last July. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 Sorry AJ you do not warrant playing 120 plus games anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) AJ is not the reason for the lousy year that the Sox had. Primary culprits are the two clowns in the middle of the batting order (Rios/Dunn) and the GM who got them. When it became obvious the Sox were not going anywhere, I was hoping for a minor overhaul, and we had a start with moving Jackson, Teahan and finally bringing up DeAza, Flowers, and Viciedo. With Giants missing their great catcher Posey, yet still contending, I was hopeful that we could make a deal with them for AJ. After what the Giants gave up for Beltran, we could have gotten something significant, or so I thought last July. yeah, i'm sure the Giants were super eager to trade for AJ again. Worked out so well the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 02:34 PM) AJ is not the reason for the lousy year that the Sox had. Primary culprits are the two clowns in the middle of the batting order (Rios/Dunn) and the GM who got them. When it became obvious the Sox were not going anywhere, I was hoping for a minor overhaul, and we had a start with moving Jackson, Teahan and finally bringing up DeAza, Flowers, and Viciedo. With Giants missing their great catcher Posey, yet still contending, I was hopeful that we could make a deal with them for AJ. After what the Giants gave up for Beltran, we could have gotten something significant, or so I thought last July. How do you figure they would've given up something significant for AJ? Yeah, he would've been an upgrade over what they currently have in place. But you weren't getting any impact player for a couple months of AJ at his salary. Edited September 8, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 8, 2011 Author Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 02:55 PM) How do you figure they would've given up something significant for AJ? Yeah, he would've been an upgrade over what they currently have in place. But you weren't getting any impact player for a couple months of AJ at his salary. Because the flat out cut AJ in the middle of a contract because they hated him so much there. Yeah, exactly. they were getting nothing for him from SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 02:57 PM) Because the flat out cut AJ in the middle of a contract because they hated him so much there. Yeah, exactly. they were getting nothing for him from SF. I thought he was a non-tender? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) How do you figure they would've given up something significant for AJ? Yeah, he would've been an upgrade over what they currently have in place. But you weren't getting any impact player for a couple months of AJ at his salary. Because they were fighting for another Division title and had no catcher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 J4L, Would the Angels really want A.J.? Their fans still boo him for the 2005 ALCS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 8, 2011 Share Posted September 8, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) J4L, Would the Angels really want A.J.? Their fans still boo him for the 2005 ALCS. Didn't even think of that. Just looked at the fact their C situation is rather dire and they're one of the few teams that could/would take on his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 Didn't Bulls fans embrace Rodman? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 9, 2011 Share Posted September 9, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 09:17 PM) Didn't Bulls fans embrace Rodman? How about John Starks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 9, 2011 Author Share Posted September 9, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Sep 8, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) J4L, Would the Angels really want A.J.? Their fans still boo him for the 2005 ALCS. Tribe fans boo'd Thome up until a week ago... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Tyler Flowers is now hitting .210 and walking back to the dugout a lot. If you hate AJ, chances are Flowers is going to drive you to a rubber room. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 10:16 PM) Tyler Flowers is now hitting .210 and walking back to the dugout a lot. If you hate AJ, chances are Flowers is going to drive you to a rubber room. AJ wouldn't be getting $6M if the organization had a decent catcher. The other prospect was hitting .155 in AA. I think every organization probably faces this problem. I guess if any kid has a dream of making it to the bigs, they should try to become a catcher or a switch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (kitekrazy @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) AJ wouldn't be getting $6M if the organization had a decent catcher. The other prospect was hitting .155 in AA. I think every organization probably faces this problem. I guess if any kid has a dream of making it to the bigs, they should try to become a catcher or a switch hitter. or take performance enhancers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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