Congratulations on #2000, Pierre

[fathom]

You can tell how much his teammates like him by their reaction last night

[BigSqwert]

You can tell how much his teammates like him by their reaction last night

 

Can you explain this to those of us who've stopped watching?

[Kyyle23]

Can you explain this to those of us who've stopped watching?

 

they raised him on to their shoulders, and started a "Juan" chant, then headed over to greg775's house(with him still on their shoulders) for a beer with ELrockin and Lemon_44. I am pretty sure white doves were released at the moment he left the stadium too.

[Greg Hibbard]

Obviously not in April when he was one of the keys to us starting 11-22.

 

Hmmm. Juan had a s***ty April, and he might have cost us 1-2 games, but it seems to me that the bullpen and other factors had much more to do with it.

[Greg Hibbard]

It's kind of sad how certain people on this site rush to make fun of Juan Pierre defenders.

 

This is a guy who is the anti-Rios (in terms of heart), but the naysayers just can't wait to jump all over anyone who is a fan of him.

 

For two seasons, he's pretty much done exactly what we expected him to do coming in - hit about .280-.300 with no pop and some wheels. He had one s***ty month on defense and in terms of stolen bases, (it was mediocre offensively) and people just don't let up. It's pretty unreal.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Greg Hibbard

[Jordan4life_2007]

Hmmm. Juan had a s***ty April, and he might have cost us 1-2 games, but it seems to me that the bullpen and other factors had much more to do with it.

 

No, Juan was little-league embarrassing in April. He Had a decent (by his standards) May. He was s***ty again in June. He's played about as well as he's capable of playing since the break. But as has been reiterated ad nauseum, his skill-set is so limited that even a .285 BA doesn't contribute much in terms of run production. Now if he were stealing bases at his career clip, he'd be much more valuable. Right now? It takes at least two singles or a minimum extra basehit to knock him in because he's incapable of getting in scoring position on his own.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Jordan4life

[Kyyle23]

It's kind of sad how certain people on this site rush to make fun of Juan Pierre defenders.

 

This is a guy who is the anti-Rios (in terms of heart), but the naysayers just can't wait to jump all over anyone who is a fan of him.

 

For two seasons, he's pretty much done exactly what we expected him to do coming in - hit about .280-.300 with no pop and some wheels. He had one s***ty month on defense and in terms of stolen bases, (it was mediocre offensively) and people just don't let up. It's pretty unreal.

 

See, i think this is a big misconception. At the beginning of the season, the anger that was directed towards Juan was well deserved, he was simply awful, along with other simply awful players doing the same thing. Ozzie continued to lead him off and watched 2 months of grounding out weakly to the second baseman along with too many CS, which further fueled it.

 

Now, people are indifferent. He has become a contributor and has ceased to part of the problem, which is good. People have stopped calling for his head, but there are still plenty that want a change at the top of the order next year. There is no problem with that IMO, for 2 consecutive seasons Juan has had horrible starts, which (coincentally?) coincided with horrible starts for the White Sox. Personally, i like what I have seen from De Aza and I would like him to get a shot to lead off and play consistently next season. That doesnt make me a Juan hater as greg775 likes to state, I am just ready to move on. I really dont think next season I will look back and say it was a horrible decision, but baseball is a funny game.

[Soxfest]

Congrats on 2000 hits.

[elrockinMT]

Good job Juan. There is no reason to bash Juan Pierre. We need 24 more with his work ethic and he gives you everything he has to give. Great role model I think for the youger players. Most likely not here next year, but I bet he doesn'r complain or have anything bad to say about the Sox if and when he goes somewhere else.

[hogan873]

they raised him on to their shoulders, and started a "Juan" chant, then headed over to greg775's house(with him still on their shoulders) for a beer with ELrockin and Lemon_44. I am pretty sure white doves were released at the moment he left the stadium too.

[BigSqwert]

Hmmm. Juan had a s***ty April, and he might have cost us 1-2 games, but it seems to me that the bullpen and other factors had much more to do with it.

Hence why I said one of the keys to us having a terrible start. I didn't say it was all his fault.

[Greg Hibbard]

No, Juan was little-league embarrassing in April. He Had a decent (by his standards) May. He was s***ty again in June. He's played about as well as he's capable of playing since the break. But as has been reiterated ad nauseum, his skill-set is so limited that even a .285 BA doesn't contribute much in terms of run production. Now if he were stealing bases at his career clip, he'd be much more valuable. Right now? It takes at least two singles or a minimum extra basehit to knock him in because he's incapable of getting in scoring position on his own.

 

Wow, are you really this desperate to exaggerate? Juan has stolen 16 of his last 21 attempts. How much higher of a percentage do you want than that? He stole second and third just the other night.

 

He essentially duplicated his exact career numbers in May. I'm not sure what standard you are using or how you define "decent". I would say that he had a "good" month by his standards.

 

I wonder if Pierre is having one of the best second halves of his career. Scratch that, I don't wonder it - it's pretty self-evident.

 

Paul Konerko had a .244 July. Every player has at least one off month over a 6-month season.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Greg Hibbard

[Jordan4life_2007]

Good job Juan. There is no reason to bash Juan Pierre. We need 24 more with his work ethic and he gives you everything he has to give. Great role model I think for the youger players. Most likely not here next year, but I bet he doesn'r complain or have anything bad to say about the Sox if and when he goes somewhere else.

 

What the hell is with the bolded? Who has ever claimed Juan was a bad guy or that he doesn't work hard? This has become a recurring theme of late.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Jordan4life

[fathom]

Wow, are you really this desperate to exaggerate? Juan has stolen 16 of his last 21 attempts. How much higher of a percentage do you want than 80%? He stole second and third just the other night.

 

Wait, please don't tell me you're trying to say he's been effective on the bases this year?

[Jordan4life_2007]

Wow, are you really this desperate to exaggerate? Juan has stolen 16 of his last 21 attempts. How much higher of a percentage do you want than that? He stole second and third just the other night.

 

He essentially duplicated his exact career numbers in May. I'm not sure what standard you are using or how you define "decent". I would say that he had a "good" month by his standards.

 

I wonder if Pierre is having one of the best second halves of his career. Scratch that, I don't wonder it - it's pretty self-evident.

 

Paul Konerko had a .244 July. Every player has at least one off month over a 6-month season.

 

You're the one that keeps trying to break the season up into multiple intervals to make your points. 16 for his last 21? So that means he was, what, 9 for 20 before that? JP is nowhere near the SB threat he once was. This is not up for debate. And with his subpar defense, you have a below average baseball player that just happens to lead the team in plate appearances because of a brain-dead manager.

[Greg Hibbard]

Wait, please don't tell me you're trying to say he's been effective on the bases this year?

 

Since his 5 for 12 April, he has stolen 20 of 27 bases, a 74% clip.

 

His career steal percentage is 74%.

 

I do not know if he has had the same opportunities to steal because of our anemic offense, but when in doubt, Ozzie sure likes to run.

 

It might just be that his steal opportunities have been way down this season.

[Greg Hibbard]

You're the one that keeps trying to break the season up into multiple intervals to make your points. 16 for his last 21? So that means he was, what, 9 for 20 before that? JP is nowhere near the SB threat he once was. This is not up for debate. And with his subpar defense, you have a below average baseball player that just happens to lead the team in plate appearances because of a brain-dead manager.

 

You just said he was incapable of getting into scoring position.

 

Perhaps you'd like to clarify that point.

[fathom]

Since his 5 for 12 April, he has stolen 20 of 27 bases, a 74% clip.

 

His career steal percentage is 74%.

 

I do not know if he has had the same opportunities to steal because of our anemic offense, but when in doubt, Ozzie sure likes to run.

 

It might just be that his steal opportunities have been way down this season.

 

His opportunities have been there, he just doesn't have the confidence to run like he used to. The result has been a ton of 5-4-3 double plays hit into by Alexei.

[Jordan4life_2007]

You just said he was incapable of getting into scoring position.

 

Perhaps you'd like to clarify that point.

 

Again, you're trying to use a a couple weeks to mask an entire season. One of these days you will realize that a baseball season is 6 months and you can't break up every little component of the game, team or individually, into splits to suite your purpose.

[Greg Hibbard]

Again, you're trying to use a a couple weeks to mask an entire season. One of these days you will realize that a baseball season is 6 months and you can't break up every little component of the game, team or individually, into splits to suite your purpose.

 

5 months is a little component of the season?

 

You're being ludicrous.

[Swingandalongonetoleft]

You can tell how much his teammates like him by their reaction last night

 

Juan was left on base that inning, so he just went straight to his spot in LF. As he was getting there a bunch of guys came out of the dugout to shake his hand and congratulate him in addition to those heading out to their respective positions on the field.

 

I like the guy and feel bad for him because he's been shat on from both sides of town, yet remains a professional and works hard to do his job. He's probably not back with the Sox next year, but I wish him well wherever he does end up.

[Greg Hibbard]

I'll look at his gamelog later and we will see if the opportunities have been there.

 

I'm not sure you can say there's necessarily a dropoff on his speed game when since May he's been stealing bases at his career percentage.

[Jordan4life_2007]

5 months is a little component of the season?

 

You're being ludicrous.

 

So you're saying he's only attempted to steal 21 times the last 5 months? Then he's still worthless. Because attempting so few means, again, that he's no longer a legitimate base-stealer. I'm assuming your numbers are correct, as I don't feel like looking them up.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Jordan4life

[Greg Hibbard]

So you're saying he's only attempted to steal 21 times the last 5 months? Then he's still worthless. Because attempting so few means, again, that he's no longer a legitimate base-stealer. I'm assuming your numbers are correct, as I don't feel like looking them up.

 

Because you don't care to verify if the empirical evidence actually backs up your assumptions.

 

Don't worry, I'll do the due diligence later with his gamelog.

[fathom]

So you're saying he's only attempted to steal 21 times the last 5 months? Then he's still worthless. Because attempting so few means, again, that he's no longer a legitimate base-stealer. I'm assuming your numbers are correct, as I don't feel like looking them up.

 

It's ironic because GHibbard basically showed stats the other day that said after our bad start, the Sox had no chance to make the playoffs. No player was more responsible for that awful start than Pierre. Juan's a good guy who's had a solid 2nd half of the year, but there should be a ton of pissed off Sox fans if he's brought back next year when the more talented De Aza/Lillibridge combo could take over for cheaper and be more productive.