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The 2012 Bullpen


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Who will be in the 2012 Bullpen?  

30 members have voted

  1. 1. Pick 7

    • Sergio Santos
      30
    • Matt Thornton
      24
    • Jesse Crain
      28
    • Chris Sale
      8
    • Jason Frasor
      20
    • Will Ohman
      21
    • Hector Santiago
      18
    • Addison Reed
      26
    • Shane Lindsay
      8
    • Gregory Infante
      16


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Frasor might be back but I think we can go younger and cheaper as we have some decent in-house folks to pick from in 2012. Frasor should be trade bait, but if we don't pick him up KW is just making the original bad deal (Hudson) look even worse, I am still inclined to keep Sale in the pen, but a lot depends on who stays and who leaves pitchingwise

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:43 AM)
Frasor might be back but I think we can go younger and cheaper as we have some decent in-house folks to pick from in 2012. Frasor should be trade bait, but if we don't pick him up KW is just making the original bad deal (Hudson) look even worse, I am still inclined to keep Sale in the pen, but a lot depends on who stays and who leaves pitchingwise

 

That's ridiculous. Not picking up the option on a 34-year old serviceable reliever will not make the Hudson deal look worse. Let him walk, collect the draft pick, and move on.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:51 AM)
That's ridiculous. Not picking up the option on a 34-year old serviceable reliever will not make the Hudson deal look worse. Let him walk, collect the draft pick, and move on.

 

I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks.

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QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:59 AM)
I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks.

If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal.

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QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:59 AM)
I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks.

 

At his age, I'd imagine he'd be looking for some security. There will probably be some dumb team out there that offers him a multi-year deal. At least I hope so.

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:54 PM)
Is there a draft pick?

He should be a type B free agent if we decline the $3.5 million option on him for next year and then offer him arbitration. That would get the Sox a sandwich pick if he declined arbitration.

 

Unless the next CBA gets rid of compensatory picks.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 05:02 PM)
If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal.

 

 

I guess it does come down to how our pitching looks in ST too. Farsor might be the best option. Kind of hard to really make a judgement on this guy. You need a good blend of veterans and youth on a winnig team IMO. I know some want to go all young, but I see that as acepting 4th or lower for a few years

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 06:56 PM)
He should be a type B free agent if we decline the $3.5 million option on him for next year and then offer him arbitration. That would get the Sox a sandwich pick if he declined arbitration.

 

Unless the next CBA gets rid of compensatory picks.

 

 

When you look at some of the albatross contracts we have 3.5M isn't all that bad

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:57 PM)
I guess it does come down to how our pitching looks in ST too. Frsor might be the best option. Kind of hard to really make a judgement on this guy. You need a hgood blend of veterans and youth on a winnig team IMO. I know some want to go all young, but I see that as acepting 4th or lower for a few years

The problem for me is that Frasor really hasn't looked that good since coming to the Sox. 5.40 ERA, 1.80 WHIP since coming to Chicago. That makes me, um, hesitate about wanting him back.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 06:59 PM)
The problem for me is that Frasor really hasn't looked that good since coming to the Sox. 5.40 ERA, 1.80 WHIP since coming to Chicago. That makes me, um, hesitate about wanting him back.

 

 

I do agree with your analysis. I see that ERA but he does have a decent history.

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QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:58 PM)
When you look at some of the albatross contracts we have 3.5M isn't all that bad

 

And once again, you just seem to not understand or blatantly ignore the economic side of the game. You don't give away money simply because it's nowhere near as bad as a Peavy contract. Frasor has had a solid career. But he's 34 and has been very, very bad for us. As disgusting (in a bad way) as our system is, there are some intriguing relief prospects. We're not a Jason Frasor away from contending.

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QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 02:05 PM)
And once again, you just seem to not understand or blatantly ignore the economic side of the game. You don't give away money simply because it's nowhere near as bad as a Peavy contract. Frasor has had a solid career. But he's 34 and has been very, very bad for us. As disgusting (in a bad way) as our system is, there are some intriguing relief prospects. We're not a Jason Frasor away from contending.

IF there was no draft pick for him, I'd probably go ahead and pick up his option, because even if things went badly he'd still be tradeable again midseason. But with how he's performed with the Sox, I'd rather have the sandwich pick if it is an option.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:15 PM)
IF there was no draft pick for him, I'd probably go ahead and pick up his option, because even if things went badly he'd still be tradeable again midseason. But with how he's performed with the Sox, I'd rather have the sandwich pick if it is an option.

 

That's a risk I'm not willing to take. And what the hell would the market be for two months of Jason Frasor? You've already got $10 million committed to Thornton/Crain next year. You've got Santos/Reed from the right-side. Another $3.5 million dollar reliever would be foolish, IMO.

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