Quin Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I'm going... CL - Sergio SU - Thornton SU - Crain MR - Ohman MR - Reed MR - Lindsay LR - Santiago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) No thanks for Lindsay...Sale going into the rotation makes Thornton more valuable next year than he is this season. Reed is going to be the closer sooner rather than later. Edited September 10, 2011 by fathom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 From that list: Santos, Crain, Reed, Thornton, Santiago, Infante and Ohman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 03:46 AM) From that list: Santos, Crain, Reed, Thornton, Santiago, Infante and Ohman. I'd be shocked if they don't bring back Frasor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Axelrod, Ohman, Frasor, Reed, Thornton, Crain, Santos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 10, 2011 Author Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) I'd be shocked if they don't bring back Frasor. I wouldn't. They can probably get a nice pick or piece for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 This team is not going to contend next year with the bullpen intact. They need to deal Thornton and Santos to to upgrade the overall talent and Sale will be in the rotation. A very tall order to do all that and and then put together a solid pen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 9, 2011 -> 09:39 PM) Reed is going to be the closer sooner rather than later. No disrespect to Santos, but I agree with you. He is the future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Springfield Soxfan Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 I've heard numerous Score commentators who have said they have heard there is no way the Sox pick up Frasor's option. I'm not so sure about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 Frasor might be back but I think we can go younger and cheaper as we have some decent in-house folks to pick from in 2012. Frasor should be trade bait, but if we don't pick him up KW is just making the original bad deal (Hudson) look even worse, I am still inclined to keep Sale in the pen, but a lot depends on who stays and who leaves pitchingwise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:43 AM) Frasor might be back but I think we can go younger and cheaper as we have some decent in-house folks to pick from in 2012. Frasor should be trade bait, but if we don't pick him up KW is just making the original bad deal (Hudson) look even worse, I am still inclined to keep Sale in the pen, but a lot depends on who stays and who leaves pitchingwise That's ridiculous. Not picking up the option on a 34-year old serviceable reliever will not make the Hudson deal look worse. Let him walk, collect the draft pick, and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) That's ridiculous. Not picking up the option on a 34-year old serviceable reliever will not make the Hudson deal look worse. Let him walk, collect the draft pick, and move on. I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks. If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) I hope Frasor doesn't want to return so the Sox have little risk in offering him arbitration. Lord knows the Sox need draft picks. At his age, I'd imagine he'd be looking for some security. There will probably be some dumb team out there that offers him a multi-year deal. At least I hope so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 04:51 PM) That's ridiculous. Not picking up the option on a 34-year old serviceable reliever will not make the Hudson deal look worse. Let him walk, collect the draft pick, and move on. Is there a draft pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:54 PM) Is there a draft pick? He should be a type B free agent if we decline the $3.5 million option on him for next year and then offer him arbitration. That would get the Sox a sandwich pick if he declined arbitration. Unless the next CBA gets rid of compensatory picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 05:02 PM) If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal. I guess it does come down to how our pitching looks in ST too. Farsor might be the best option. Kind of hard to really make a judgement on this guy. You need a good blend of veterans and youth on a winnig team IMO. I know some want to go all young, but I see that as acepting 4th or lower for a few years Edited September 10, 2011 by elrockinMT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 06:56 PM) He should be a type B free agent if we decline the $3.5 million option on him for next year and then offer him arbitration. That would get the Sox a sandwich pick if he declined arbitration. Unless the next CBA gets rid of compensatory picks. When you look at some of the albatross contracts we have 3.5M isn't all that bad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) I guess it does come down to how our pitching looks in ST too. Frsor might be the best option. Kind of hard to really make a judgement on this guy. You need a hgood blend of veterans and youth on a winnig team IMO. I know some want to go all young, but I see that as acepting 4th or lower for a few years The problem for me is that Frasor really hasn't looked that good since coming to the Sox. 5.40 ERA, 1.80 WHIP since coming to Chicago. That makes me, um, hesitate about wanting him back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 06:59 PM) The problem for me is that Frasor really hasn't looked that good since coming to the Sox. 5.40 ERA, 1.80 WHIP since coming to Chicago. That makes me, um, hesitate about wanting him back. I do agree with your analysis. I see that ERA but he does have a decent history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 For Sure Santos Crain Ohman Dolsi maybe Thornton (trade bait?) Maybe Sale (move to rotation?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 12:58 PM) When you look at some of the albatross contracts we have 3.5M isn't all that bad And once again, you just seem to not understand or blatantly ignore the economic side of the game. You don't give away money simply because it's nowhere near as bad as a Peavy contract. Frasor has had a solid career. But he's 34 and has been very, very bad for us. As disgusting (in a bad way) as our system is, there are some intriguing relief prospects. We're not a Jason Frasor away from contending. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 02:05 PM) And once again, you just seem to not understand or blatantly ignore the economic side of the game. You don't give away money simply because it's nowhere near as bad as a Peavy contract. Frasor has had a solid career. But he's 34 and has been very, very bad for us. As disgusting (in a bad way) as our system is, there are some intriguing relief prospects. We're not a Jason Frasor away from contending. IF there was no draft pick for him, I'd probably go ahead and pick up his option, because even if things went badly he'd still be tradeable again midseason. But with how he's performed with the Sox, I'd rather have the sandwich pick if it is an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 10, 2011 Share Posted September 10, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 01:15 PM) IF there was no draft pick for him, I'd probably go ahead and pick up his option, because even if things went badly he'd still be tradeable again midseason. But with how he's performed with the Sox, I'd rather have the sandwich pick if it is an option. That's a risk I'm not willing to take. And what the hell would the market be for two months of Jason Frasor? You've already got $10 million committed to Thornton/Crain next year. You've got Santos/Reed from the right-side. Another $3.5 million dollar reliever would be foolish, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 12, 2011 Share Posted September 12, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 10, 2011 -> 11:02 AM) If he were to accept arbitration he should still at least be tradeable mid-season. Reliever on a 1 year, $2.75 mil deal. He'll get a much bigger deal than that on the FA market, that's for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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