Peavy is ova for '11

[ptatc]

That one reliever blew up his elbow due to steroids. Pulling a muscle off the bone seems possible. Take it easy with the attacks. I truly don't believe you'll last long here.

 

What usually happens with steriods is that the muscle is so strong that there is an avulsion fracture. This is where the force is so great that the muscle pulls off a piece of bone. Of course you can tear the tendon off the bone but from my experience it is more likely that the piece of bone comes off.

[Wanne]

So he should be proactive and fix what isn't broken and ignore the problems? What GM does that? Every GM is trying to shore up weak spots first.

 

I guess it's been more his decisions to immediately try and fix it that have been costly and failed instead of taking a more realistic approach.

 

Swisher: fail

Rios: fail

Peavy: fail

Dunn: fail

 

And in a way being stuck with AJs big salary next year.

 

Also shows the lack of building the farm system. We've got some decent talent now. But every one of his decisions have backfired...and not only that...very expensive backfires with some years on them. Kenny the Gambler rolled the dice and failed. You lose...yer out...simple as that.

 

Sale: Nice pick.

Humber: ok...give ya him

[Quin]

I guess it's been more his decisions to immediately try and fix it that have been costly and failed instead of taking a more realistic approach.

 

Swisher: fail

Rios: fail

Peavy: fail

Dunn: fail

 

And in a way being stuck with AJs big salary next year.

 

Also shows the lack of building the farm system. We've got some decent talent now. But every one of his decisions have backfired...and not only that...very expensive backfires with some years on them. Kenny the Gambler rolled the dice and failed. You lose...yer out...simple as that.

 

Sale: Nice pick.

Humber: ok...give ya him

 

 

Every single one of his decisions?

 

Like how Quentin, Danks, Floyd, Thornton, Santos, Sale, Humber, Contreras, Garcia, Thome, Dye, Pods, Crain, Jenks, Putz, Alexei, Viciedo, etc. all failed, right?

 

Christ, don't say they have all backfired, because they haven't. Just like how before 2009, Ozzie was a good manager.

[Wanne]

Just like how before 2009

 

which is when most of the names you've put on there came about. I'm not saying all so don't get all dramatic.

[southsider2k5]

So him ripping a muscle off a bone is due to riods? Wow.. That is just down right moronic to state that.

 

Technically is right though. One of the most common steroid injuries happens when the tendons and ligaments can't support the muscles anymore, and you get situations happen, just like happen to Peavy. Massive tears of muscle because they aren't being supported like they were intended.

 

I'm not saying this is what happened to Jake, but it is definitely possible.

[southsider2k5]

Yes, and yes...

 

Let's talk about Paulie injury this year.. It had to be because of riods, cause how else do we explain it..

 

Lilly, his broken hand was due to riods.. It just had to be, nothing else.

 

Do you see how insane this is to state that.. There is no evidence, just speculation and hate.

 

Well true, oh wait, except for the fact that we know they were caused by blunt trauma, and they aren't muscle, ligament, or tendon injuries... But other than that, I think you might be on to something.

[southsider2k5]

I guess it's been more his decisions to immediately try and fix it that have been costly and failed instead of taking a more realistic approach.

Swisher: fail

Rios: fail

Peavy: fail

Dunn: fail

 

And in a way being stuck with AJs big salary next year.

 

Also shows the lack of building the farm system. We've got some decent talent now. But every one of his decisions have backfired...and not only that...very expensive backfires with some years on them. Kenny the Gambler rolled the dice and failed. You lose...yer out...simple as that.

 

Sale: Nice pick.

Humber: ok...give ya him

 

Its a scary trend that many times Kenny has brought in a veteran with a history of success, they have failed here. You can throw Javy Vazquez on to that list as well. That doesn't speak well for Ozzie.

[Dick Allen]

Its a scary trend that many times Kenny has brought in a veteran with a history of success, they have failed here. You can throw Javy Vazquez on to that list as well. That doesn't speak well for Ozzie.

Thome worked out well. Dye was good. Cabrera was an ass, but did what he always did. I don't think you can pin all the failure on Ozzie. KW pops off "Chicago tough" all the time. How stoned does one have to be not be be able to see that whatever "Chicago tough" is, Alex Rios is not?

 

I think a little friction between the manager and GM isn't a bad thing, but there has been too much for too long. I hope JR doesn't pick one or decide to give it another year.

[NorthSideSox72]

Technically is right though. One of the most common steroid injuries happens when the tendons and ligaments can't support the muscles anymore, and you get situations happen, just like happen to Peavy. Massive tears of muscle because they aren't being supported like they were intended.

 

I'm not saying this is what happened to Jake, but it is definitely possible.

Look four posts up - ptatc seems to think otherwise.

 

[Balta1701]

What usually happens with steriods is that the muscle is so strong that there is an avulsion fracture. This is where the force is so great that the muscle pulls off a piece of bone. Of course you can tear the tendon off the bone but from my experience it is more likely that the piece of bone comes off.

isn't it also true that not every muscle/bone connection is the same, and that different tears ought to work in different ways?

[southsider2k5]

Look four posts up - ptatc seems to think otherwise.

 

Well sort of. He did say it was more common to tear bone with it, but it was possible.

[ptatc]

isn't it also true that not every muscle/bone connection is the same, and that different tears ought to work in different ways?

They are all the same in that there are connections called Sharpey's fibers which is connective tissue which goes from the tendon to the periosteum of the bone. They are continuous with both structures to provide a strong connections. However, some are stronger than other based on the size of the muscle, tendon and bone structures.

[ptatc]

Well sort of. He did say it was more common to tear bone with it, but it was possible.

Yes, it is possible and does happen. I've just seen more of the avulsion fracture over the years.

[southsider2k5]

Yes, it is possible and does happen. I've just seen more of the avulsion fracture over the years.

 

Have you found any kind of equivalency with steroid usage? If you don't feel comfortable answering that, just say so, I understand if you don't want to.

[Milkman delivers]

Every single one of his decisions?

 

Like how Quentin, Danks, Floyd, Thornton, Santos, Sale, Humber, Contreras, Garcia, Thome, Dye, Pods, Crain, Jenks, Putz, Alexei, Viciedo, etc. all failed, right?

 

Christ, don't say they have all backfired, because they haven't. Just like how before 2009, Ozzie was a good manager.

 

Much longer than that for a few of us.

[Milkman delivers]

Look four posts up - ptatc seems to think otherwise.

 

What usually happens with steriods is that the muscle is so strong that there is an avulsion fracture. This is where the force is so great that the muscle pulls off a piece of bone. Of course you can tear the tendon off the bone but from my experience it is more likely that the piece of bone comes off.

 

He's saying it's possible, too.

[ptatc]

Have you found any kind of equivalency with steroid usage? If you don't feel comfortable answering that, just say so, I understand if you don't want to.

 

Not really. It's more just what I've observed from athletes who were using steriods. Mostly in football, track and field and professional body building.

 

[Milkman delivers]

I know there is a group of people who don't believe Peavy should re-sign with the Sox for a low amount (depending on a good year in 2012) to make up for the lack of performance he's delivered in his time here compared to his salary. But if he wants to keep spewing his good-old-boy hillbilly work ethic crap and how he just wants the team to win, to be taken seriously in the future, he really ought to do something like that.

 

I know he doesn't have to, and it'd be a stupid financial move to do so, but going off and signing a bigger deal elsewhere would just prove that all of his talk is nothing but lip service.

Edited September 13, 2011 by Milkman delivers

[southsider2k5]

Not really. It's more just what I've observed from athletes who were using steriods. Mostly in football, track and field and professional body building.

 

So no difference really between if the tears happen to include the bone or not, but more occurrences of the tears in general if they have been using steroids?

[ptatc]

So no difference really between if the tears happen to include the bone or not, but more occurrences of the tears in general if they have been using steroids?

 

There are more tears and avulsion fractures with athletes using steriods. There are more avulsion fractures than straight muscle/tendon tears.

 

[southsider2k5]

There are more tears and avulsion fractures with athletes using steriods. There are more avulsion fractures than straight muscle/tendon tears.

 

Gotcha. Thanks again, as always!

[ptatc]

I know there is a group of people who don't believe Peavy should re-sign with the Sox for a low amount (depending on a good year in 2012) to make up for the lack of performance he's delivered in his time here compared to his salary. But if he wants to keep spewing his good-old-boy hillbilly work ethic crap and how he just wants the team to win, to be taken seriously in the future, he really ought to do something like that.

 

I know he doesn't have to, and it'd be a stupid financial move to do so, but going off and signing a bigger deal elsewhere would just prove that all of his talk is nothing but lip service.

 

I still don't see the problem with talking about working hard especially in his case. He busted his rear to get back to pitching this year coming back from a surgery that no pitcher ever has. Regardless of his results you can't possibly think that he hasn't worked hard and lived up to everything he has said. He hasn't talked about working hard and then just sat around doing nothing. I know he hasn't performed well but to blast his work ethic isn't right.

 

[Milkman delivers]

I still don't see the problem with talking about working hard especially in his case. He busted his rear to get back to pitching this year coming back from a surgery that no pitcher ever has. Regardless of his results you can't possibly think that he hasn't worked hard and lived up to everything he has said. He hasn't talked about working hard and then just sat around doing nothing. I know he hasn't performed well but to blast his work ethic isn't right.

 

Well, he did hope for the offseason to get here as soon as possible.

[ptatc]

Well, he did hope for the offseason to get here as soon as possible.

A large part of that was due to is arm tiring because of the extensive rehab last off season. He worked alot harder this past off season after surgery than anyone normally would. He needed to and he did. I'm sure if the team was in a true pennant race he would have tried to keep going if the team needed it.