Balta1701 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 05:36 PM) It's quite simple. I don't see how anybody can call him a "piece of trash manager" when he led a CHICAGO team to a WS. When I see outlandish s*** like that, I feel like saying something in support of Oz. You can say he lost the team but he's not a piece of trash manager. I mean he's been in Chicago longer than most managers/coaches stay with their teams. Change is coming but if he was total trash Florida wouldn't be ready to sign him for four years. about 90% of this post I was ready to sit there and say, wow, this all makes sense. But you couldn't resist. You had to throw something in that made the post unable to respect. You just had to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 10:39 PM) about 90% of this post I was ready to sit there and say, wow, this all makes sense. But you couldn't resist. You had to throw something in that made the post unable to respect. You just had to. Somebody on this board wrote the other day Florida was going to sign him for (four) years. Why the venom with me repeating that? If a guy is 'total trash' then why would another team give him a nice deal?? Edited September 17, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) It's quite simple. I don't see how anybody can call him a "piece of trash manager" when he led a CHICAGO team to a WS. When I see outlandish s*** like that, I feel like saying something in support of Oz. You can say he lost the team but he's not a piece of trash manager. I mean he's been in Chicago longer than most managers/coaches stay with their teams. Change is coming but if he was total trash Florida wouldn't be ready to sign him for four years. Adam Dunn hit 40 homeruns with 101 rbi's and a .927 ops in 2005. Jake Peavy was one of the best pitchers in baseball Viciedo was 17 Alexei Ramirez was in Cuba Sergio Santos was a shortstop somewhere Matt Thornton and Gavin Floyd were failed 1st round picks Ya, I see your point, nothing has changed since 05. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) Adam Dunn hit 40 homeruns with 101 rbi's and a .927 ops in 2005. Jake Peavy was one of the best pitchers in baseball Viciedo was 17 Alexei Ramirez was in Cuba Sergio Santos was a shortstop somewhere Matt Thornton and Gavin Floyd were failed 1st round picks Ya, I see your point, nothing has changed since 05. I wasn't an alcoholic in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 04:36 PM) It's quite simple. I don't see how anybody can call him a "piece of trash manager" when he led a CHICAGO team to a WS. When I see outlandish s*** like that, I feel like saying something in support of Oz. You can say he lost the team but he's not a piece of trash manager. I mean he's been in Chicago longer than most managers/coaches stay with their teams. Change is coming but if he was total trash Florida wouldn't be ready to sign him for four years. If Adam Dunn was total trash the Sox wouldn't have signed him for four years. Oh wait........................................................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 04:41 PM) Somebody on this board wrote the other day Florida was going to sign him for (four) years. Why the venom with me repeating that? If a guy is 'total trash' then why would another team give him a nice deal?? Florida's manager is an 80 something year old. They'd take just about any established ML manager instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WHITESOXRANDY Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 I wasn't an alcoholic in 2005. Yeah, and I had my gender re-assignment in 2005. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (WHITESOXRANDY @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 05:50 PM) Yeah, and I had my gender re-assignment in 2005. An addidictome? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 17, 2011 Share Posted September 17, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 17, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) If Adam Dunn was total trash the Sox wouldn't have signed him for four years. Oh wait........................................................... Yes but Dunn was signed to a four-year deal coming off good seasons. Florida is about to sign Ozzie coming off the most frustrating season of his career (considering the All-In bulls*** and expectations). So Florida thinks he is special obviously. Obviously the Sox wouldn't sign Dunn right now if his contract was out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 Piece of trash manager, no doubt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 So, if Oz goes to Miami, does JR still pay him for 2012? Wonder if JR has the nads to say No. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 18, 2011 Share Posted September 18, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Sep 18, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) So, if Oz goes to Miami, does JR still pay him for 2012? Wonder if JR has the nads to say No. Clearly no. The Sox own his rights.If the Sox are paying him he actually is contractually forbidden from coaching another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 18, 2011 -> 01:12 PM) Clearly no. The Sox own his rights.If the Sox are paying him he actually is contractually forbidden from coaching another team. That depends. if the Sox fire him, he is a FA. If Ozzie quits then we own his rights for that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:07 AM) That depends. if the Sox fire him, he is a FA. If Ozzie quits then we own his rights for that year. I actually don't think this is true. If the Sox fire him...the Sox are still paying him for that year. That's the key point...the Sox own his managing rights as long as the Sox are paying him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 08:28 AM) I actually don't think this is true. If the Sox fire him...the Sox are still paying him for that year. That's the key point...the Sox own his managing rights as long as the Sox are paying him. It is true. If they fire him, they no longer own his rights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) It is true. If they fire him, they no longer own his rights. Then they wouldn't be paying him. This is why, for example, Lou Pinella kept winding up in the broadcast booth after being fired. He couldn't coach unless he negotiated a buyout with his previous team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Edit: here's exactly what happened with Pinella. The Rays wanted to let him go but they didn't want to pay him the full $4.4 million. Pinella wanted out but wanted to be able to manage again. As long as he was under contract with the Rays, he couldn't manage anywhere else, so the 2 sides arranged to a buyout, and if Pinella coached again the next year, then the Rays recouped a larger amount of money. The buyout, one of the worst-kept secrets in baseball, was finalized two weeks ago and announced Friday. It calls for Piniella to receive $2.2 million of the $4.4 million he was due next season, as well as $1.25 million in deferred salary from 2003. If the 62-year-old manager accepts a job with another team, the Devil Rays could recoup some or all of the money owed for next season. The Sox own Ozzie's rights unless Ozzie can negotiate them away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 08:33 AM) Edit: here's exactly what happened with Pinella. The Rays wanted to let him go but they didn't want to pay him the full $4.4 million. Pinella wanted out but wanted to be able to manage again. As long as he was under contract with the Rays, he couldn't manage anywhere else, so the 2 sides arranged to a buyout, and if Pinella coached again the next year, then the Rays recouped a larger amount of money. The Sox own Ozzie's rights unless Ozzie can negotiate them away. Pinella quit. He wasn't fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Gonzo. Manager Ozzie Guillen hopes to find out his status with the White Sox before leaving for a trip to Spain with his wife two days after the conclusion of the regular season. "I hope I do," Guillen said Tuesday. "If not, I know my switch will be off right away because I don’t want to spend time with my wife thinking about baseball and thinking about what is our future. "The future? Only two gods know: Jerry (Reinsdorf's) God and the real God know what my future is going to be here. But as soon as I go home I leave, but when I come back we talk about it. But I hope my conversation, having dinner with my wife somewhere where I'm going to be is not about my future -- it’s having fun and forget about how crazy this summer was and this very sad summer, if you put it that way." Guillen has one more year left on his contract, but he has publicly stated that he would like an extension so he's not entering 2012 as a lame-duck manager. He is expected to receive a lucrative offer from Florida if the Marlins are granted permission to talk to Guillen, who remains disappointed by the Sox's finish this season. "I don't say embarrassing, but we don't get where we want to get," Guillen said. "It makes you wonder if you're that good. That makes you wonder if you're managing well, if my coaching staff did their job. It makes you wonder about a lot of things about a lot of things we went through spring training, April, May, if we did the right thing to go with six-man rotation, if we do right thing to keep (Adam) Dunn and (Alex) Rios in the lineup. All this stuff, if Carlos (Quentin) wasn't hurt. "It’s so much tougher at the end of the day. It don't matter. If you you lose, you have a losing season. It don't matter. A lot of people have to look themselves in the mirror from the top to the bottom to see if we did right thing with this ballclub this year. Guillen accepted his share of the blame. "Yes, I'll take the blame because I don’t make an excuse for anything. They gave me a good ballclub and we didn't play well. The reason we don’t play well, that's people’s opinion. I think we don't play the way we should be playing, and I take blame with that." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Baseball insiders suggest White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf may "dig in his heels'' and force Ozzie Guillen to stay after Guillen's continuing public blathering about how it might be best for him to be fired and other such musings. But really, it might be best for all concerned to simply trade Guillen to the Marlins, as was briefly discussed a year ago. Those talks ended when the White Sox requested Logan Morrison. But as fortune would have it, Morrison is not exactly beloved these days by the Marlins. Morrison, who was already seen by Marlins management as a bit too opinionated, now has filed a grievance against the team for demoting him at a time he says he didn't deserve it based on his play. Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...l#ixzz1YW7kjuot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 This really bothers me. How the f*** is this even an option? Does the chairman and his lackeys even watch the Sox play? Ozzie is a buffoon. Baseball insiders suggest White Sox owner Jerry Reinsdorf may "dig in his heels'' and force Ozzie Guillen to stay... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thad Bosley Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 Perhaps Mr. Reinsdorf can say to the Marlins "Sure, you can have Guillen, but you have to take Rios with him. They come as a set." That could be one creative way to remove that albatross of a contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiguy79 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 "Morrison, who was already seen by Marlins management as a bit too opinionated"...and they want to trade Morrison for the most opinionated person in baseball...something makes me doubt how much Loria and the Marlins would want to deal with Ozzie's mouth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 02:21 PM) Perhaps Mr. Reinsdorf can say to the Marlins "Sure, you can have Guillen, but you have to take Rios with him. They come as a set." That could be one creative way to remove that albatross of a contract. "Congratulations Mr. Guillen on being named the 2012 White Sox manager." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted September 20, 2011 Share Posted September 20, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 20, 2011 -> 12:06 PM) This really bothers me. How the f*** is this even an option? Does the chairman and his lackeys even watch the Sox play? Ozzie is a buffoon. If Ozzie is the manager next year, I'll enjoy watching SOX games on CSN/WGN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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