Cooper and/or Ozzie status could affect MB coming back next year

[Melissa1334]

Oh, conjecture? That sounds about right. All we have to go off of is what we are told by the team and the writers. We were told that KW said to play the best players, regardless of salary. Since that makes Ozzie look a little worse, you make up a scenario. Awesome.

well obviously kw is going to say that. what do u want him to say. no ozzie must play all these high priced players? its just funny how everyone acts like they know exactly whats going on. u dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

Edited September 19, 2011 by Melissa1334

[StrangeSox]

well obviously kw is going to say that. what do u want him to say. no ozzie must play all these high priced players? its just funny how everyone acts like they know exactly whats going on. u dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

 

Why would Kenny say one thing to the media and then force Ozzie to play these players? Why wouldn't Ozzie or his goon son say something to the media, since they haven't had a problem speaking up in the past?

[southsider2k5]

Why would Kenny say one thing to the media and then force Ozzie to play these players? Why wouldn't Ozzie or his goon son say something to the media, since they haven't had a problem speaking up in the past?

 

That's how I know it didn't happen. Anything that would require Ozzie and company to keep their mouths shut just isn't a realistic scenario.

[Milkman delivers]

well obviously kw is going to say that. what do u want him to say. no ozzie must play all these high priced players? its just funny how everyone acts like they know exactly whats going on. u dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

 

Exactly, all we have to go on is the public stuff. You might think it's funny that people go on that, but what's even funnier is you making up complete bulls*** in order to justify your love of Ozzie Guillen.

 

Then go and read what iwritecode just said. That seems to be what you're saying happened. Do you seriously think for one single f***ing second that Ozzie Guillen would willfully do exactly what KW says and not make mention of it himself in public, despite KW obviously (in this ridiculous scenario) attempting to make Guillen look like the bad guy? You can't possibly think that. That would mean that Guillen is either incredibly, incredibly stupid as to not see himself being set up so blatantly, or he's purposely taking the blame and not making mention of it (laughable, knowing his tendencies to air anything in public).

[Melissa1334]

Exactly, all we have to go on is the public stuff. You might think it's funny that people go on that, but what's even funnier is you making up complete bulls*** in order to justify your love of Ozzie Guillen.

 

Then go and read what iwritecode just said. That seems to be what you're saying happened. Do you seriously think for one single f***ing second that Ozzie Guillen would willfully do exactly what KW says and not make mention of it himself in public, despite KW obviously (in this ridiculous scenario) attempting to make Guillen look like the bad guy? You can't possibly think that. That would mean that Guillen is either incredibly, incredibly stupid as to not see himself being set up so blatantly, or he's purposely taking the blame and not making mention of it (laughable, knowing his tendencies to air anything in public).

no, i know ozzie didnt want dunn, ill tell u that much. i love how u can critisize moves that ozzie makes that backfires because its so easy to second guess. ur right ozzie is an idiot and ur a genius

[Milkman delivers]

no, i know ozzie didnt want dunn, ill tell u that much. i love how u can critisize moves that ozzie makes that backfires because its so easy to second guess. ur right ozzie is an idiot and ur a genius

 

So, you're just going to completely change the subject. Cool.

[jenksycat]

well obviously kw is going to say that. what do u want him to say. no ozzie must play all these high priced players? its just funny how everyone acts like they know exactly whats going on. u dont know whats going on behind the scenes.

 

It's funnier that there are several people on this board that honestly believe Ozzie was strictly told to play the highest paid players no matter what.

[Melissa1334]

So, you're just going to completely change the subject. Cool.

no, were talking about ozzie right? im just saying i dont buy into anything i read or what people think. we dont know what goes on, we dont work there! jeeze, i wish i could be an idot making 2 million dollars lol

Edited September 19, 2011 by Melissa1334

[Milkman delivers]

no, i know ozzie didnt want dunn, ill tell u that much. i love how u can critisize moves that ozzie makes that backfires because its so easy to second guess. ur right ozzie is an idiot and ur a genius

 

I had to go back and reread this post. Past the prepubescent text message grammar, what were you even trying to say? I asked specifically about the scenario of KW "forcing" Guillen to play guys while also keeping quiet about it, and this was your response. What?

[Melissa1334]

It's funnier that there are several people on this board that honestly believe Ozzie was strictly told to play the highest paid players no matter what.

and its funny how people believe that kw basically said u can sit dunn and rios the rest of the year if u want lol i wonder why every other team that has bad contracts, why they play them everyday too

[Milkman delivers]

no, were talking about ozzie right? im just saying i dont buy into anything i read or what people think. we dont know what goes on, we dont work there! jeeze, i wish i could be an idot making 2 million dollars lol

 

You're saying you don't buy into what they say publicly, but at the same exact time, you're willing to make up an absurdly outlandish scenario that would cause KW to be the bad guy and Guillen to be the victim.

[Melissa1334]

I had to go back and reread this post. Past the prepubescent text message grammar, what were you even trying to say? I asked specifically about the scenario of KW "forcing" Guillen to play guys while also keeping quiet about it, and this was your response. What?

yea becuase it matters sooo much if someone posts "u" or "you" ? laughing out loud*

[Milkman delivers]

yea becuase it matters sooo much if someone posts "u" or "you" ? laughing out loud*

 

Again, avoiding the point of the post.

[BigSqwert]

You're saying you don't buy into what they say publicly, but at the same exact time, you're willing to make up an absurdly outlandish scenario that would cause KW to be the bad guy and Guillen to be the victim.

Why bother? Certain people can't deal with facts.

[Melissa1334]

You're saying you don't buy into what they say publicly, but at the same exact time, you're willing to make up an absurdly outlandish scenario that would cause KW to be the bad guy and Guillen to be the victim.

everyone acts like i defend ozzie no matter what. im not. like i said a million times, in my opinion , the sox dont win this division becuase of him nor did they lose it becuase of him.thats it. i actually want ozzie gone just so people can see that when the sox are bad next year, its not going to be because of ozzie

[Melissa1334]

Again, avoiding the point of the post.

i already said, we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes.

[Melissa1334]

Why bother? Certain people can't deal with facts.

lol someone said dunn sucked because he played for ozzie this year. yea becuase thats a "fact"

[BigSqwert]

i already said, we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes.

 

Have you even followed this team at all during the Guillen era? Several people asked whether you truly believe Ozzie or his loud-mouthed son would really be quiet if Kenny said one thing publicly and dictated something else behind closed doors. Your response to that is 'we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes'? That's about as ignorant and naive as you can get.

Edited September 19, 2011 by BigSqwert

[jenksycat]

and its funny how people believe that kw basically said u can sit dunn and rios the rest of the year if u want lol i wonder why every other team that has bad contracts, why they play them everyday too

 

lolz omg totes

 

So, under your ridiculous scenario, this is how it went down:

 

-KW holds press conference calling up De Aza and states that the best players need to play, regardless of salary.

-KW and JR have a meeting with Ozzie right after the press conference and tell him under no circumstances is he to bench the highest paid players

-Ozzie, being the quiet, team player, "dive on a grenade" kind of guy he is, gladly accepts this and doesn't say word about it publicly.

 

Ozzie has never and will never throw anyone under the bus or speak his mind. There's no possible way he kept playing Rios with De Aza on the bench and kept Dayan in AAA to stick-it to KW. Ozzie is not known for holding grudges or being petty.

 

Are we now realizing how incredibly stupid that is?

 

 

[Milkman delivers]

i already said, we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes.

 

Yes, but you're still willing to make up your own theories and then preach and believe them as though they're true. And then you act as though others aren't as wise as you by saying that you find it "funny" that they believe what is told to us by the GM and reporters. And then, when you're confronted with the scenario that you yourself put forward and its inherent ridiculousness, you back off and change the subject entirely.

[Melissa1334]

Have you even followed this team at all during the Guillen era? Several people asked whether you truly believe Ozzie or his loud-mouthed son would really be quiet if Kenny said one thing publicly and dictated something else behind closed doors. Your response to that is 'we dont know what actually goes on behind the scenes'? That's about as ignorant and naive as you can get.

no i just started watching this month ... so ozzie just played dunn because he thought he was good? obviously for some reason we dont know

[Melissa1334]

Yes, but you're still willing to make up your own theories and then preach and believe them as though they're true. And then you act as though others aren't as wise as you by saying that you find it "funny" that they believe what is told to us by the GM and reporters. And then, when you're confronted with the scenario that you yourself put forward and its inherent ridiculousness, you back off and change the subject entirely.

yea just how everyone made up their own theory that every player sucks under ozzie and thats why we lost the divison

[BigSqwert]

no i just started watching this month ... so ozzie just played dunn because he thought he was good? obviously for some reason we dont know

 

Let me put it this way.

 

Given that Ozzie and his son have been very vocal in the past about just about everything, why would they both be silent when you're implying that Kenny is making him play Dunn and Rios even though KW publicly told him not to? you really think these 2 would stay silent? Wouldn't you assume at least Oney would send a tweet out there saying something like "Kenny didn't real mean it when he said to play the best players regardless of salaries. He is trying to make Ozzie look bad." How does Ozzie benefit by not letting it be known that Kenny is lying to the public?

Edited September 19, 2011 by BigSqwert

[jenksycat]

yea just how everyone made up their own theory that every player sucks under ozzie and thats why we lost the divison

 

Please link to where this was stated by anyone on this board

[Melissa1334]

Let me put it this way.

 

Given that Ozzie and his son have been very vocal in the past about just about everything, why would they both be silent when you're implying that Kenny is making him play Dunn and Rios even though KW publicly told him not to? you really think these 2 would stay silent? Wouldn't you assume at least Oney would send a tweet out there saying something like "Kenny didn't real mean it when he said to play the best players regardless of salaries. He is trying to make Ozzie look bad." How does Ozzie benefit by not letting it be known that Kenny is lying to the public?

i said there has to be something behind it. obviously everyone knows dunn is terrible and should rot on the bench. but he played him for some reason, a reason that isnt that hes so stupid and doesnt know dunn is bad. why? i dont know