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Cooper and/or Ozzie status could affect MB coming back next year


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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:17 AM)
Do you want to explain how veterans consistently fail in Chicago, and yet that is Kenny Williams fault?

were not saying its kws fault. but its not ozzies either. if anything it has more to do with walker , i think, and thats why kw got into a huge fight with him. but basically were saying he should be held accountable not that theyre failing because of him

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:05 AM)
Nice find, and if that is the case.. I blame Kenny.. if a player is on the decline, and you ink him to a huge $ 4 year deal.. What player is going to go nope, I really don't deserve it. Then for the fans, the easy scapegoat is the manager.

 

And Kenny wasn't the only one chasing after him. Washington was going to give him the same money, and Detroit wanted him really bad.

 

Out of curiousity, if the Sox have a new manager and Dunn bounces back to near career norms, would you then think Ozzie is part of the problem here? It sure happened with Nick Swisher and Javy Vazquez once they left here.

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And Kenny wasn't the only one chasing after him. Washington was going to give him the same money, and Detroit wanted him really bad.

 

Out of curiousity, if the Sox have a new manager and Dunn bounces back to near career norms, would you then think Ozzie is part of the problem here? It sure happened with Nick Swisher and Javy Vazquez once they left here.

 

You're still using the great Javy as your example... Wow... Even when proven wrong you stick to your guns.

 

 

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:22 AM)
And have been shot down... try again.

 

Not even close.

 

Plus you still haven't been able to explain the stadium thing, the spring training thing, nor why these guys fail when they get here.

 

So I guess you can't be shot down when you just ignore every challenge that gets made to you.

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Not even close.

 

Plus you still haven't been able to explain the stadium thing, the spring training thing, nor why these guys fail when they get here.

 

So I guess you can't be shot down when you just ignore every challenge that gets made to you.

 

You know admitting you're wrong, would go a long way here...

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QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:20 AM)
Out of curiousity, if the Sox have a new manager and Dunn bounces back to near career norms, would you then think Ozzie is part of the problem here? It sure happened with Nick Swisher and Javy Vazquez once they left here.

i dont think so. javy just blows lol he was really good in 06 with ozzie then sucked in 07 with ozzie. yea he did good for the braves but then sucked with the yanks and did so so with the marlins this year. and swisher and dunn, swisher we dont know what could of happend the 2nd year and we dont know with dunn either. i think that when a hitter loses himself a little, like gets into a long slump and his stance gets out of wack, walker cant help and thats the problem. like beckham. now he cant hit 88 mph fastballs?? thats not ozzie or just beckham being garbage theres something wrong there

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:22 AM)
You're still using the great Javy as your example... Wow... Even when proven wrong you stick to your guns.

 

You mean the Vazquez who left the Sox and had his career best year the very next year? The one who dropped his era 1.80, his whip 0.3, 1.8 less H/9, 0.3 less HR/9, 0.8 less BB/9, and 1.2 more K/9?

 

Nah, I don't know why I would think he got better once he left Chicago.

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QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:26 AM)
No.. he would have won the CY in 2010, if it wasn't for those pesky stats.

 

Uh he was 4th in voting for the Cy Young the year after he left, you might want to drop that argument: both because of the fact that he had a phenomenal 2009 and because "winning the Cy Young" isn't the only way for a player to be better, so it's just a dumb argument anyway.

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lol. You can't prove a damned thing, which is why you've gone straight to the third graded on the playground strategy.

 

What is your next work? na-na-na?

 

:lolhitting

 

I guess when you are wrong, just look the other way.. You want to prove Ozzie was the problem, then gave some examples.. which were debunked, then attacked on other things.. and now try to save face, by spinning again.

 

Look if you can't come up with examples, then we are done.

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