southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) I guess when you are wrong, just look the other way.. You want to prove Ozzie was the problem, then gave some examples.. which were debunked, then attacked on other things.. and now try to save face, by spinning again. Look if you can't come up with examples, then we are done. Sez the guy who hasn't proved anything when called on it? Please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I don't think you got the point of my post. I did... I don't think you got mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) You mean the Vazquez who left the Sox and had his career best year the very next year? The one who dropped his era 1.80, his whip 0.3, 1.8 less H/9, 0.3 less HR/9, 0.8 less BB/9, and 1.2 more K/9? Nah, I don't know why I would think he got better once he left Chicago. he got better because hes had one good year since he left? lol Edited September 19, 2011 by Melissa1334 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) I did... I don't think you got mine. Translation [i know I am wrong, but I will continue to deflect it until people give up.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Sez the guy who hasn't proved anything when called on it? Please. This isn't about me, this is about you.. And YOU Proving Ozzie is the problem, but since you can't... you make it about me, to save your face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 I know I am wrong, but I will continue to deflect it until people give up. Now we get to your Ozzie argument.. Thank you, I knew you had it in you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Park Correction Factors, 2011 Seems like a pretty mixed bag of hitters v pitchers and which teams are good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:32 AM) This isn't about me, this is about you.. And YOU Proving Ozzie is the problem, but since you can't... you make it about me, to save your face. I have. I have given examples, stats, trends, and pretty much anything else. You haven't given a damned thing other than conjecture. I am still waiting for your answers on the many things people have questioned you on, that you have ignored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) I did... I don't think you got mine. baseless assertions? No, we've picked up on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:33 AM) Now we get to your Ozzie argument.. Thank you, I knew you had it in you. Give it up dude. This is pathetic. Quit ignoring all of the arguments and questions and actually contribute. Either step to the plate, or walk away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 so since the sox were supposed* to win this year and sucked because ozzie, since it will be almost the same team next year, i should fully be expecting a winning season next year with a new manager? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 19, 2011 Author Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) so since the sox were supposed* to win this year and sucked because ozzie, since it will be almost the same team next year, i should fully be expecting a winning season next year with a new manager? If Ozzie is replaced, and the team largely remains the same, it will be a great test case for whose fault 2011 was. (though I think at least a couple of major pieces get dealt in the off season.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 When will Team Ozzie realize that most want Ozzie AND KW gone? I can't even remember the last pro-Kenny argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:38 AM) When will Team Ozzie realize that most want Ozzie AND KW gone? I can't even remember the last pro-Kenny argument. i want ozzie gone but im just not like everyone else, blaming every single sox problem on him, like dunn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:36 AM) so since the sox were supposed* to win this year and sucked because ozzie, since it will be almost the same team next year, i should fully be expecting a winning season next year with a new manager? If Ozzie is fired, it won't be because of this year alone. It will be for perpetually underachieving for six years in a division that should've been ours to dominate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 10:36 AM) so since the sox were supposed* to win this year and sucked because ozzie, since it will be almost the same team next year, i should fully be expecting a winning season next year with a new manager? There's no way this will be "Almost the same team" next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) i want ozzie gone but im just not like everyone else, blaming every single sox problem on him, like dunn I don't know that anyone is really blaming Dunn's failures on Ozzie. It's being used as a counter-point to the pro-Ozzie arguments that absolve him of all responsibility for a player's performance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:40 AM) i want ozzie gone but im just not like everyone else, blaming every single sox problem on him, like dunn Yes, because Greg Walker hasn't taken a lick of heat for Dunn's failure. lol. Ozzie gets blamed, rightfully so, for running him out there over and over and over again. It was clear by July that the dude was toxic waste. "But Adam makes $14 million. He got to play no matter what." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 If Ozzie is fired, it won't be because of this year alone. It will be for perpetually underachieving for six years in a division that should've been ours to dominate. List out those 6 years please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 2006: no playoffs 2007: no playoffs 2008: Barely make playoffs, 1 win 2009: no playoffs 2010: no playoffs 2011: no playoffs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:46 AM) List out those 6 years please. 2006: second-half collapse 2007: 90 losses 2008: barely won the division; dismissed with ease by Tampa. 2009: sub-.500 record 2010: another second-half choke 2011: team-record payroll; 15 games out. That's a whole lot of fail. Especially when the top 3 AL powerhouses are in the AL east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 09:43 AM) Yes, because Greg Walker hasn't taken a lick of heat for Dunn's failure. lol. Ozzie gets blamed, rightfully so, for running him out there over and over and over again. It was clear by July that the dude was toxic waste. "But Adam makes $14 million. He got to play no matter what." its funny how everyone thinks its that simple. dunn blows and its may, june now july, dont play him. he clearly had to. just like the cubs with soriano and the giants with zito,etc. we arent there to see what ozzie is being told by jerry/kw. and just becuase kw comes out and says play whoever you want doesnt matter the money, yea i dont buy that. im sure ozzie would have loved to bench dunn in may. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 (edited) 2006: second-half collapse 2007: 90 losses 2008: barely won the division; dismissed with ease by Tampa. 2009: sub-.500 record 2010: another second-half choke 2011: team-record payroll; 15 games out. That's a whole lot of fail. Especially when the top 3 AL powerhouses are in the AL east. 2006: Zero Bullpen, and zero help at the deadline... OOO and lack of CF which is a theme for a while..You give Ozzie some Bullpen help and a starting CF.. Different story. 2007: Erstad was the fa-king opening day CF.. Sorry this is one of many Sox teams that was lacking talent. so many holes, so little talent 2008: Carlos breaks his hand, Swisher is opening Day CF ( which IMO was his worst position) which is also a overreaction since Erstad failed to pan out. I think we all wonder, what would have happened if Carlos doesn't break his hand, how far could they have gone.. I do agree the talent looked completely overmatch compared to Tampa, but that's Ozzie's fault? 2009: First see 2007 then Another KW, draft pick goes belly up in Josh Fields, so zero 3b, until they rushed Beckham up to save.. Zero CF, until KW thinking he is blocking DET get Rios off the waiver wire. ( that worked out well for us huh?) 2010: Jenks( do I need to say more?) he should have been traded at the end of the 08 season IMO, Beckham regress, and drumroll please, when they needed RP, Kenny went out and got them SP.. Though on the bright side, the Sox have their first CF since Rowand left.. 4.5 year later. Or so we thought. 2011: KW built team that is "All IN" but mostly strike out. I'm not at all thinking Ozzie is perfect... But, the majority of the problem with this organization starts with Kenny. And I saw earlier you mention both should be fired.. I agree. But if I have to pick one to get fired.. Kenny is the guy. Edited September 19, 2011 by VictoryMC98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Sep 19, 2011 -> 11:12 AM) 2006: Zero Bullpen, and zero help at the deadline... OOO and lack of CF which is a theme for a while..You give Ozzie some Bullpen help and a starting CF.. Different story. 2007: Erstad was the fa-king opening day CF.. Sorry this is one of many Sox teams that was lacking talent. so many holes, so little talent Ozzie Guillen was the one who put Rob ****ing Mackowiak and Darin Erstad in as his CF starters!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 19, 2011 Share Posted September 19, 2011 Ozzie Guillen was the one who put Rob ****ing Mackowiak and Darin Erstad in as his CF starters!!!! Anderson couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat... that's your other option. And I was a Anderson fan, btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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