kitekrazy Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 03:25 PM) It really isn't. It's common sense at this point. But I don't have inside information, so you'll argue it until the very end. I don't know. It would have seemed like common sense last year. I'm beginning to think the one that really needs to go is Mr. Reinsdorf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Brent Morel should save Greg Walker's job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 01:08 PM) Maybe he doesn't feel that way about his current teammates or manager Squirt. Anyway, when the best hitter on the team endorses the hitting coach it is something that has to be taken into account when deciding whether or not to retain Walker. I'm sure chairman Reinsdorf is listening. LOL, what he is endorsing? He is saying kind things taken out of an interview about a coach he has worked with and called a friend for years? Paul Konerko doesnt need to learn jack s*** from Greg Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:37 AM) Brent Morel should save Greg Walker's job. Totally, like how he is exactly performing how he did in the minors for years before he even worked with Walker once. Totally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:40 AM) Totally, like how he is exactly performing how he did in the minors for years before he even worked with Walker once. Totally. What are you talking about? Don't even compare the minors to the majors. You have no idea what Walker's role has been in Morel's turnaround. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:40 AM) LOL, what he is endorsing? He is saying kind things taken out of an interview about a coach he has worked with and called a friend for years? Paul Konerko doesnt need to learn jack s*** from Greg Walker. Look, if Konerko wants him back that says a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) What are you talking about? Don't even compare the minors to the majors. You have no idea what Walker's role has been in Morel's turnaround. Team Ozzie is getting desperate now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Team Ozzie is getting desperate now. I don't want Guillen back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:50 AM) Team Ozzie is getting desperate now. I'm sure this will end up in the Sun Times and Twitter soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) What are you talking about? Don't even compare the minors to the majors. You have no idea what Walker's role has been in Morel's turnaround. Turnaround from what? He's shown his entire professional career that he struggles and then adapts, his numbers this season has completely followed the pattern. And yes, I know first hand that Walk has been and is ignored by several veteran hitters. If you want to put a feather in his cap for Morel, how about taking it out and stomping it to the ground with Gordon Beckham. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwritecode Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 10:46 AM) Look, if Konerko wants him back that says a lot. No, it just says that he helped Konerko. He may not be the right hitting coach for the other hitters on the team. Didn't Frank Thomas have a personal hitting coach that he used that didn't work for anyone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Walker's problem is that he's not a self-promoter like Coop. If he was, he'd be getting all the credit for Morel and Lillibridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Konerko's opinion means s***. This has been the third worst offense in the AL all season long. The situational hitting (mainly runner(s) in scoring position and less than two outs) has been deplorable. This team flat did nothing well offensively this year. How does the hitting coach assume no blame? Ship his ass out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Coop helped turn Peavy in to a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) Walker's problem is that he's not a self-promoter like Coop. If he was, he'd be getting all the credit for Morel and Lillibridge. You know what would fix this team? More egos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) Coop Injuries helped turn Peavy in to a 5th starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted September 22, 2011 Share Posted September 22, 2011 Coop gets a good amount of praise because his predecessor was abysmal. You can not complain about the staff results as a whole under Cooper especially compared to Walker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) Coop gets a good amount of praise because his predecessor was abysmal. You can not complain about the staff results as a whole under Cooper especially compared to Walker. Yet Buerhle had just as much if not more success under Nardi Contreras. I don't see where Adam Dunn is Walker's fault but Billy Koch wouldn't be Cooper's. Edited September 23, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:07 PM) Yet Buerhle had just as much if not more success under Nardi Contreras. I kind of asked this in the other thread, but I'll ask it here too... Who is Greg Walkers Esteban Loiaza that he plucked from a minor league deal to the all-star game? Who is his Phil Humber that he picked up off of waivers that he turned into a solid starting hitter in his first year here after failing at all other stops? Who is his Gavin Floyd that he turned around from awful and down on himself into an everyday player with solid numbers? Who is his Sergio Santos that he literally taught how to hit from nothing? The whole silliness of why doesn't Cooper catch grief when a pitcher does bad is because he as a history of doing some amazing things. Greg Walker doesnt' have nearly that history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:12 PM) I kind of asked this in the other thread, but I'll ask it here too... Who is Greg Walkers Esteban Loiaza that he plucked from a minor league deal to the all-star game? Who is his Phil Humber that he picked up off of waivers that he turned into a solid starting hitter in his first year here after failing at all other stops? Who is his Gavin Floyd that he turned around from awful and down on himself into an everyday player with solid numbers? Who is his Sergio Santos that he literally taught how to hit from nothing? The whole silliness of why doesn't Cooper catch grief when a pitcher does bad is because he as a history of doing some amazing things. Greg Walker doesnt' have nearly that history. KW doesn't acquire those players offensively, but Carlos Quentin was a guy who probably was the MVP in 2008 if he doesn't get hurt. He made Aaron Rowand a ton of money. When he took over in 2003 Paulie was hitting like Adam Dunn without the whiffs, and as long as you're talking one year wonders, Uribe was much better offensively in 2003 with the Sox than he was with Colorado in 2002. Edited September 23, 2011 by Dick Allen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:13 PM) KW doesn't acquire those players offensively, but Carlos Quentin was a guy who probably was the MVP in 2008 if he doesn't get hurt. He made Aaron Rowand a ton of money. When he took over in 2003 Paulie was hitting like Adam Dunn without the whiffs. CQ's problem was/is always been injuries. I don't think Walker deserves a whole lot of credit for '08. If he does, he deserves blame for how mediocre/inconsistent he's been the last three years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 (edited) Coop helped turn Peavy in to a 5th starter. I think a Muscle Tearing off the bone had something to do with that..This year 2012, look out the AL redneck will be back to a 15 game winner.. Well if the White Sox get an offense that is. Edited September 23, 2011 by VictoryMC98 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 But that's only maybe 3 names. If someone wants to claim Morel or Lillibridge as great successes...you're welcome to assert that. We haven't even mentioned the likes of Matt Thornton, Jose Contreras, Jon Garland, Jenks, etc. Quentin was one of the DBacks' top prospects at one point. He wasn't to the level of a D'Angelo Jimenez or Julio Ramirez who was simply another busted prospect. And the thing is Walker couldn't take credit for building on that success or Quentin improving he staying at a level comparable to 2008. He regressed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:13 PM) KW doesn't acquire those players offensively, but Carlos Quentin was a guy who probably was the MVP in 2008 if he doesn't get hurt. He made Aaron Rowand a ton of money. When he took over in 2003 Paulie was hitting like Adam Dunn without the whiffs, and as long as you're talking one year wonders, Uribe was much better offensively in 2003 with the Sox than he was with Colorado in 2002. Konerko had the one bad year when Walker took over. As I said in teh other thread, PK had already had a .300 season, a 30 homer season, and a 100 RBi season at that point. Rowand's best season was in Philly, right before FA. Uribe had the great year his first year here, and then desended by over .200 OPS before rebounding in SF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted September 23, 2011 Share Posted September 23, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 22, 2011 -> 07:24 PM) But that's only maybe 3 names. If someone wants to claim Morel or Lillibridge as great successes...you're welcome to assert that. We haven't even mentioned the likes of Matt Thornton, Jose Contreras, Jon Garland, Jenks, etc. Quentin was one of the DBacks' top prospects at one point. He wasn't to the level of a D'Angelo Jimenez or Julio Ramirez who was simply another busted prospect. And the thing is Walker couldn't take credit for building on that success or Quentin improving he staying at a level comparable to 2008. He regressed. Weren't Humber, Floyd, Thornton, Jenks and Garland top prospects at one point? The Yankees gave Contreras $32 million, he had to be pretty good, considering Alexei got $4 million and now everyone is saying he is hitting exactly what was projected. Floyd has regressed since 2008, Jenks regressed, Garland regressed, Loaisa regressed, Contreras regressed, what's the point? Thornton is Cooper's masterpiece, without a doubt. The one guy he fixed who actually stayed fixed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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