hogan873 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 01:15 AM) In answer to the thread title.... Reasons he might want to stay ... • Love of Chicago. It is a helluva town with passion for baseball. Fla. Nobody cares. • Chicago restaurants and things to do. Unless Ozzie truly loves boating Chicago is better. • Great uniforms. Best in baseball. Reasons he might want to leave. ... • Dunn. • Rios. • AJ can't throw anybody out. • No team speed. • Bullpen always looks good on paper but just is average. Add it all up and the team has .500 as it's high water mark. Chances of another s***ty season are pretty good; going to Florida gives him a fresh start. On paper our team is on the decline. Why should he want to be in charge as the ship continues to sink? So you've gone to bullets. Nice. j/k Your reasons on why he might want to stay have nothing to do with baseball, and maybe that was your point. The reasons he might want to leave? Well, I can agree on Dunn and Rios, but as we have discussed ad nausem, Ozzie could have delat with those guys by pointing to the bench and saying, "Keep that spot warm." The other three reasons...I don't know. I don't think AJ's inability to throw anybody out makes Ozzie want to not manage the team. The lack of team speed might frustrate him because he's all about Ozzie-ball. The bullpen has been pretty solid, so I don't see that as a valid reason. You forgot one of the best reasons why Ozzie might want to go to Florida...a new ballpark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 The interesting thing is that the Florida job is a more attractive one than the White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) The interesting thing is that the Florida job is a more attractive one than the White Sox. Then why didn't Ozzie quit last year and wait for the Florida job to open? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:17 AM) The interesting thing is that the Florida job is a more attractive one than the White Sox. most of soxtalk rest of soxtalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 It wasn't a better job last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 05:17 PM) The interesting thing is that the Florida job is a more attractive one than the White Sox. I disagree...NL East is way more competitive than AL Central Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:21 PM) It wasn't a better job last year. Then why doesn't he approach the Chairman and offer a buyout of his deal right now on his own so that he can move to this more desirable job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) Then why doesn't he approach the Chairman and offer a buyout of his deal right now on his own so that he can move to this more desirable job? Really if the job is better, and the pay is better, just ask him to release Ozzie from the contract, that way everyone benefits. Jerry doesn't have to can him, and Ozzie can leave of his own free will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) I disagree...NL East is way more competitive than AL Central NL Wild Card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:27 PM) NL Wild Card. 'Cause Boston has the AL Wild Card locked up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:25 AM) Really if the job is better, and the pay is better, just ask him to release Ozzie from the contract, that way everyone benefits. Jerry doesn't have to can him, and Ozzie can leave of his own free will. What makes you think the Sox job is better? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) What makes you think the Sox job is better? $125 million payroll in a major market with major endorsement opportunities compared to a $55 million payroll in a tiny market with limited endorsement opportunities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 21, 2011 Author Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:28 AM) 'Cause Boston has the AL Wild Card locked up. Right. Either them or Tampa Bay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:23 AM) I disagree...NL East is way more competitive than AL Central But that doesn't matter. It's about being smiled at in a restaurant, speaking your mind, and being one of a kind. Besides, once Ozzie goes to Florida, he's got at least two WS titles in the bag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) $125 million payroll in a major market with major endorsement opportunities compared to a $55 million payroll in a tiny market with limited endorsement opportunities. Well for the Florida fanbase, you've got Viagra, Life Alert, Metamucil, Centrum Silver... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:29 PM) Right. Either them or Tampa Bay. Clearly, you missed the point. The AL Wild card is probably going to wind up with 90-92 wins. Boston is currently leading it with 88 wins. The NL Wild Card is probably going to wind up with 90-92 wins. Atlanta is currently leading it with 88 wins. Clearly that NL Wild card is an utter pushover, while the AL Wild card is sewn up in perpetuity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) But that doesn't matter. It's about being smiled at in a restaurant, speaking your mind, and being one of a kind. Besides, once Ozzie goes to Florida, he's got at least two WS titles in the bag. Well to be fair, he's only going to win 1-2 more titles in his career then get a HOF nod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:29 AM) Right. Either them or Tampa Bay. And in the NL, it's either St. Louis or Atlanta. I don't even see what you're getting at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 Hey, children of divorced parents: Remember when that seemed like the scariest, worst outcome of all? But at a certain point the relationship between the two of them was SO acrimonious that not only was it not scary anymore but you kind of HOPED for it? That's where I'm at with KW/Ozzie right now. I see no benefit in them staying together, for them, or us or the team. Here's a thought: would you even WANT to come back to this team next year? It's the Ryne Sandberg dilemma: sure you didn't get the job but aren't you glad you didn't? Because the Cubs were absolutely f***ed on paper even before 2011 began so you're basically picking who gets to captain the Titanic. And what's to inspire confidence in 2012? We are stuck with Dunn and Rios, period. Beckham is floundering. Who knows what we'll get from Peavy or who will even remain on the pitching staff. If I were Ozzie, I'd go quietly, talk about how everybody needs a change of scenery, and say nothing but great things about the White Sox and the organization. Because you never know--a few years down the road, it's possible you could come back here (quit screaming everyone). Not like that hasn't happened before. Where this all goes sideways is if KW pulls the trigger on Ozzie and it erupts into a back-and-forth media war as Ozzie slinks out of town and God knows what Oney will start tweeting when that happens. But enough. I wouldn't mind seeing both of them gone. But this relationship is OVAH. You can't work in that kind of a situation, and it shows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 If this phenom Logan Morrison is rumored to be the Sox target in exchange for talking to Ozzie - he seems to have struggled the last couple years. Was he hurt this year? He didn't have much in the way of stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 11:57 AM) If this phenom Logan Morrison is rumored to be the Sox target in exchange for talking to Ozzie - he seems to have struggled the last couple years. Was he hurt this year? He didn't have much in the way of stats Anything the Sox get in return for Ozzie is a bonus, even if it doesn't pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LVSoxFan Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 I'm not holding my breath to see what the Sox will get in return for Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 05:57 PM) If this phenom Logan Morrison is rumored to be the Sox target in exchange for talking to Ozzie - he seems to have struggled the last couple years. Was he hurt this year? He didn't have much in the way of stats Near .800 OPS in a terrible hitter's park for lefties, combined with facing some ridiculous pitching in the NL East...not bad at all. He's likely only going to get better as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 21, 2011 Share Posted September 21, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 21, 2011 -> 12:05 PM) Anything the Sox get in return for Ozzie is a bonus, even if it doesn't pan out. If we can get rid of him without paying him anything in 2012, we win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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