Go ahead, drill the Sox

[southsider2k5]

Seriously, 3 HBP in a game, and 0 in reply?

 

I mean, come on, seriously?

 

The Konerko one was the worst of all. It was a fastball at his hip. Blatantly obvious. Konerko even throws a fit, by throwing his pads and such, and staring out at the pitcher. It just ended up like a Beatles song. No Reply.

[Balta1701]

The Konerko one was the worst of all. It was a fastball at his hip. Blatantly obvious. Konerko even throws a fit, by throwing his pads and such, and staring out at the pitcher. It just ended up like a Beatles song. No Reply.

And this is F***ing Cleveland too. We're going to play them 18 times again next year.

[southsider2k5]

And this is F***ing Cleveland too. We're going to play them 18 times again next year.

 

And at this point, the games mean less than nothing.

[Balta1701]

And at this point, the games mean less than nothing.

But if we give up one extra baserunner, then the coaching staff might not get their 2nd place bonuses.

[southsider2k5]

But if we give up one extra baserunner, then the coaching staff might not get their 2nd place bonuses.

 

To be fair it looks like some of them will need it.

[Balta1701]

To be fair it looks like some of them will need it.

Blew all their money on the blow, huh?

[southsider2k5]

Blew all their money on the blow, huh?

 

It would make sense with the way this season has gone.

[SoxAce]

Think this is the 2nd time I've called him out for something stupid he said on twitter. I must be special if he tweets me back ha.

 

What a douche.

 

If I had a twitter, I would have "douched" back and posted the Guillen article with him calling out Tracey from when he ORDERED the retaliation and didn't get one, then proceed to say "Checkmate, anything else you would like to say that will make you look more like a jackass than you usually are. If not, I'll let you continue to suck breast milk out of your daddy's nipple" but I'm not a twitter whore (nor do I care what "excuses" that kid makes).

 

 

[southsider2k5]

If I had a twitter, I would have "douched" back and posted the Guillen article with him calling out Tracey from when he ORDERED the retaliation and didn't get one, then proceed to say "Checkmate, anything else you would like to say that will make you look more like a jackass than you usually are. If not, I'll let you continue to suck breast milk out of your daddy's nipple" but I'm not a twitter whore (nor do I care what "excuses" that kid makes).

 

Here you go...

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-ozziesecret080308

[SoxAce]

Here you go...

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-ozziesecret080308

 

You should be quoting Rowand, not me in that regard Mike... But in that essence, good find and there you go Row.

Edited September 21, 2011 by SoxAce

[southsider2k5]

You should be quoting Rowand, not me in that regard Mike...

 

Yeah, good point. Either way, the article still works.

[southsider2k5]

http://www.csnchicago.com/09/20/11/Long-da...tm_medium=email

 

By Brett Ballantini

CSNChicago.com White Sox Insider

 

Box score | Photo gallery

White Sox fall in Game 1

 

CLEVELAND – The Chicago White Sox were pleased to escape with a doubleheader split as precious time to do so slipped away, storming back to knock off the Cleveland Indians in Tuesday’s nightcap, 5-4.

 

But even in doing so, the sweet note turned sour, as three White Sox batters were pelted by Wahoos pitches, with nonexistent retaliation. The White Sox put more effort and aggression into criticizing one another’s clothing and style than offering opponents chin music or a slide spikes-high.

 

Paul Konerko—he of a month away from first base after taking a ball directly on a leg nerve in July—was the first to be belted, with a 93 mph fastball, in what appeared to be a fairly sensitive spot. PK cussed his way to first base, but come bottom frame, Matt Thornton had nothing to say about it.

 

In the ninth, Indians reliever Josh Judy lost complete control, hitting everything in sight. First it was Gordon Beckham, drilled squarely below the numbers, shot in the back with an 89 mph fastball. Juan Pierre, who has already been hit by his share of baseballs—seven so far in 2011—escaped harm with an ever ready sac bunt—“All-In” for the little fellas.

 

But then Alexei Ramirez took a shot up and in, off his shoulder. Ever dramatic, Alexei spun and hopped, hopped and spun. No, it wasn’t his “shot dead” trick done sprawled on the ground, an act that makes even prankster jefe Ozzie Guillen giggle, but it was dramatic.

 

Perhaps, then, with two bruised and sore baserunners on first and second, revenge would be wreaked on the basepaths?

 

Opportunity arose, in the form of PK back at the plate. But Konerko grounded to short, and Ramirez did his best El Caballo (Carlos Lee) imitation with a slide that stopped some six feet short of second. Yes, legs were outstretched, but no second sacker would be spiked on this play—nudged, brushed, peed on, perhaps. But spiked in retaliation, no. The slide was something you might see stealing a base in a father-son game.

 

Still, there was one more shot at redemption, with hard-throwing, wacky motioned, wicked movemented Chris Sale on the mound for the ninth. But no, it was just a mere, four-batter save. No harm, no foul. Pack it up and start tomorrow back at 1 ½ behind the Wahoos for second place in a Central once preordained them.

 

Postgame, Konerko was so bruised he was unavailable, the Cap’n typically apologetic and promising time on Wednesday, when any sensitive swelling might not be so intrusive. Bacon was available, packed in ice like the fish to flop he was made out to be by his pitching staff. And Ramirez was also wrapped tightly around his left shoulder, muled down with enough ice to margarita the entire clubhouse.

 

Beckham spoke, and he really didn’t have much to say vis a vis vitriol.

 

“I feel fine. It just knocked the wind out of me a little bit. No worries,” said the second baseman, stiff upper lipped. “I don’t ever take [a HBP] as intentional.”

 

The young grinder, unfortunately having to answer for HBPs in advance of chatting on the breakout offensive game he finally experienced after a 150-game wait, seemed reluctant to dismiss the charges against Judy. Or, maybe he wasn’t.

 

“If it was intentional—it wasn’t intentional,” Beckham convinced himself. “[Judy] didn’t have control, and he let it slip on a couple. But after you see Paul get hit and Alexei earlier in the day and then two more, obviously it wasn’t intentional. There was just a lot of hit batsmen today.”

 

In advanced mathematics, we call this solving the proof, Gordon. The only problem is, you and the remainder of the clubhouse crew seem to have the solution twisted.

 

There wasn’t a lot of guidance from the top, no matter how much grit and spit and grindiness espoused by the team’s general.

 

“Obviously, I was upset, but I don’t think they were throwing at [us],” manager Ozzie Guillen said. “It’s a bunch of kids coming from the minor leagues, and you can’t do nothing about it. Just run to first base and go get the trainer, that’s all you can do. I doubt they threw at [us].”

 

Ozzie, forgive the snickers from your audience. They know not of this modern baseball you are forced to manage, when minor leaguers hit with impunity your millionaire, long-term superstars, guys who you feel will have statues at U.S. Cellular Field and even one day plaques in Cooperstown. They do not understand your powerlessness against the minimum-wagers of the sport.

 

Guillen was more interested in talking of the sweet than the sore, anyway.

 

“You make a long day a little bit nicer [by winning the nightcap],” Guillen said. “We got to feel both sides—we lose and we win. It was tough [in the nightcap] because were down 4-0 or 4-1 right away, and I thought this whole day is going to be very long. But we fought back and won the game.”

 

Beckham has learned well at the foot of the master: Bark brusquely, but shy at the sign of a bite.

 

“It would have been a really long night [if we had lost the nightcap], but we were able to come through,” he said. We really played a good game, so I’m happy for us.”

 

Alejandro De Aza, often unable to repeat starts in spite of his blistering .926 OPS in his short time in Chicago, was certainly happy; he had two hits, drove in two, and saved at least one with a customary sprawling play in center field.

 

Omar Vizquel, nearly two decades De Aza’s senior, likewise chipped in two hits as an adoring Cleveland Indians fanbase roared; he was all grins. And even Beckham’s kidney punch came after a career-high three doubles; doubtlessly he sleeps more sweetly tonight, albeit on his stomach.

 

But smiles aside, the Chisox managed to show the true colors that embody this All In-turned-Well We’re Here season on Tuesday night, making even a turnabout of 4-0, dead-dugout deficit into a colorless 5-4 comebacker anesthetized by anticlimax.

[SoIL]

Not that they will, but the time to retaliate is tomorrow. You still want to win the game so you don't put the tying run on base in the bottom of the ninth just for retaliation. Nail them all day long tomorrow.

That's what I was thinking. You still want to win the game. I do however think the Sox need to retaliate more often. That said it does seem like most of time the Sox do retaliate, the umps warn both benches and we still end up being hit more often (i.e. we get hit a couple of times, hit the other team and the umps warn the benches.)

 

Hopefully today is the day some Indian takes it in the ribs.

[SoIL]

But if we give up one extra baserunner, then the coaching staff might not get their 2nd place bonuses.

Don't those bonuses also go to clubhouse staff, groundskeepers, office staff, etc? Seems like a good reason for the team to fight for the higest place in the standings. That bonus is probably a pretty big deal to those people.

[Balta1701]

That's what I was thinking. You still want to win the game. I do however think the Sox need to retaliate more often. That said it does seem like most of time the Sox do retaliate, the umps warn both benches and we still end up being hit more often (i.e. we get hit a couple of times, hit the other team and the umps warn the benches.)

 

Hopefully today is the day some Indian takes it in the ribs.

I can't remember the last time the Sox were in a game where both teams were warned, let alone because of a HBP by a Sox pitcher.

[CaliSoxFanViaSWside]

Even better article than Ballatini's basically saying Indians and Twins might be hitting or at least pitching inside to Sox hitters as part of game strategy. http://www.southsidesox.com/

[hogan873]

I remember when the good Colon was pitching for the Sox, and he took the mound in the 9th in what could have easily been another complete game for him. Instead, he plunked the first batter square in the back after at least two of our hitters were hit. That's the kind of stuff we need to see from the Sox. Instead, we got Ozzie saying they didn't do it on purpose.

 

When Hawk goes on a rant about the need to plug the other team's hitters, you know it's bad. Oh well, maybe our next manager will have some balls in that respect.

Edited September 21, 2011 by pittshoganerkoff

[SoIL]

I can't remember the last time the Sox were in a game where both teams were warned, let alone because of a HBP by a Sox pitcher.

Really? I guess I'm thinking over several seasons and may also be thinking of times where a Sox player got hit and warnings were issued right after that, not giving the Sox a chance to retaliate. But I do recall being frustrated over the umps putting an end to it befoore we could respond properly. Not saying that we actually would have.

[Rowand44]

Here you go...

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-ozziesecret080308

Eh, I should have just let it die but hey, I'm immature as well, so I decided to be a smartass and tweet that to him.

[elrockinMT]

We don't need to get in to a discussion of retaliation and beanball wars. Wild pitches by youthful rookies is the issue. I don't think you are going to hear a lot of chipping of teeth by the Sox or any team on a matter like this. If the coaching staff collectively feel it needs to be done they will plunk the opposing team as needed and won't be signaling their intentions to the media.

[Rowand44]

We don't need to get in to a discussion of retaliation and beanball wars. Wild pitches by youthful rookies is the issue. I don't think you are going to hear a lot of chipping of teeth by the Sox or any team on a matter like this. If the coaching staff collectively feel it needs to be done they will plunk the opposing team as needed and won't be signaling their intentions to the media.

Hey this link is doing all sorts of work today: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-ozziesecret080308

[PorkChopExpress]

Even better article than Ballatini's basically saying Indians and Twins might be hitting or at least pitching inside to Sox hitters as part of game strategy. http://www.southsidesox.com/

 

This is something I have suspected for a while now. And I think it goes beyond the Twins and Indians, but I have no stats to back that up. I just feel like the opposition knows that they should pitch inside to our guys. It may have something to do with the way our hitters swing for the fences so much and pulling for HR's, and the inside pitches get them out so often. I don't know, but I'm with Ballantini on this. I think it is definitely a strategy, and not coincidence.

[Harry Chappas]

Even better article than Ballatini's basically saying Indians and Twins might be hitting or at least pitching inside to Sox hitters as part of game strategy. http://www.southsidesox.com/

 

This is a great blog. I forgot about Beckham anything think there could be a lingering affect there.

[fathom]

Don't worry, I'm sure Ozzie will order retaliation against the real enemy next week...Mark Teahen

[southsider2k5]

Eh, I should have just let it die but hey, I'm immature as well, so I decided to be a smartass and tweet that to him.

 

That's my boy