Ozzie Guillen Released from Contract

[caulfield12]

Ozzie gets the moolah. Good for him.

s***, double the salary according to Sun Times? Four mill a year?

Take the money and run.

Keeing KW is a fricking joke. Fire him as well and it'll be a better week for Sox fans.

 

 

4 years, $16 million guaranteed. 8X what he was set to make with the Sox for 2012.

 

Ozzie's more about Ozzie these days than the White Sox.

 

It's not like Forte or Alexei Ramirez and he was being woefully-underpaid. As Rosenbloom pointed out, he had a fair contract for 2012 and he didn't want to honor it. Surely, the writing was on the wall with many of the same underperforming players expected to be on the roster accompanied by the expected payroll slashing. He quit on the team when the going got rough.

 

Another article mentioned that he already made $23+ million during his playing career and something like $10-15 million (he made $1.1 million in 2007) as a manager. With endorsements and autograph sessions and all those ancillary revenues, the guy has made roughly $40 million and yet he's always complaining about being poor. What world does he live in?

Edited September 27, 2011 by caulfield12

[Quin]

While the Marlins will grab plenty of headlines over the next few years, the real winner here may be the White Sox. They had to be tiring of Guillen's continual public blathering about his contract situation, especially considering a year remained at about $2 million. No one else could have gotten away with talking so much about themselves when the team was desperately trying to remain in the race. But that is the gift of Ozzie. He can act selfishly, even petulantly, and folks think it's funny.

 

White Sox chairman Jerry Reinsdorf, who has long loved Guillen, met with the manager today. But Reinsdorf seemed to support his GM Williams more in recent months, according to people familiar with the situation. While Williams isn't exactly the picture of calm behind the scenes, he's quieter publicly and a better team player. One person familiar with Reinsdorf's thinking hinted that his first choice to replace Guillen may be someone currently managing in the big leagues, and the natural speculation will focus on the iconic Tony La Russa, who is among Reinsdorf's best friends and whom Reinsdorf has regretted firing as White Sox manager for more than two decades. La Russa is on a one-year deal with the Cardinals, who are still battling for the NL wild card.

 

In 2003, Williams shocked folks by hiring Guillen over his old Blue Jays manager Cito Gaston after an interview in which Guillen challenged Williams, and fought with Williams. Unfortunately, the fighting never stopped, escalating in recent years with one of Guillen's sons unabashedly ripping his father's boss on Twitter. Their relationship never seemed the same after middle son Oney Guillen kept targeting Williams, according to people familiar with the situation.

 

I wouldn't blame Williams for wanting Ozzie to go. If Ozzie can't contain his own son, how can he be expected to manage the team? Guillen will always be recalled for winning the first World Series in decades for the White Sox, in 2005, overcoming clubhouse dissension late in the season to roll through the playoffs with unhittable pitching and Ozzie pulling the strings.

 

But the winning slowed down, and the dissension never did. It was time for the White Sox to stop the madness.

 

 

Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writ...l#ixzz1Z8OvVgTB

 

I feel like that first paragraph was for Greg.

 

And of course Oney ruined it.

 

f***ing Oney.

 

[greg775]

4 years, $16 million guaranteed. 8X what he was set to make with the Sox for 2012.

 

Ozzie's more about Ozzie these days than the White Sox.

 

It's not like Forte or Alexei Ramirez and he was being woefully-underpaid.

 

Another article mentioned that he already made $23+ million during his playing career and something like $10-15 million (he made $1.1 million in 2007) as a manager. With endorsements and autograph sessions and all those ancillary revenues, the guy has made roughly $40 million and yet he's always complaining about being poor. What world does he live in?

 

Four years? Good for u, Ozzie Guillen.

You sir are set for life 10 times over. Wish I had some of that money.

[caulfield12]

Four years? Good for u, Ozzie Guillen.

You sir are set for life 10 times over. Wish I had some of that money.

 

 

I guess the new definition of rich has changed from $1 million to $4-5 million at some point in the last two decades.

[Quin]

The more that comes out, the more Ozzie looks like a selfish ass.

 

I can't wait till he's humbled, then he can come back.

[greg775]

The more that comes out, the more Ozzie looks like a selfish ass.

 

I can't wait till he's humbled, then he can come back.

 

I just read all the articles on the Trib and Sun Times Web sites and the players praised Ozzie.

From reading the board I got the impression Konerko was blasting him, etc.

AJ said he loved him like a member of the family.

We read what we want to read into things.

I don't think he looks selfish at all. I can't believe KW is winning this battle.

[Real]

so f***ing happy right now, good riddance you low life.

[bigruss]

I just read all the articles on the Trib and Sun Times Web sites and the players praised Ozzie.

From reading the board I got the impression Konerko was blasting him, etc.

AJ said he loved him like a member of the family.

We read what we want to read into things.

I don't think he looks selfish at all. I can't believe KW is winning this battle.

We will know exactly who Ozzie in hte next few months. If he keeps talking s*** or lets his kids keep talking s*** about the Sox organization than yes, he is a scumbag without a doubt. He needs to move on, the Sox need to move on. The End.

[greg775]

so f***ing happy right now, good riddance you low life.

 

 

We will know exactly who Ozzie in hte next few months. If he keeps talking s*** or lets his kids keep talking s*** about the Sox organization than yes, he is a scumbag without a doubt. He needs to move on, the Sox need to move on. The End.

 

1.) That's uncalled for IMO. He is not a low life. You know what a lowlife is?

Did you read the comments from his players??

2.) I see your point but on the other hand, KW wins this war so I would think Oz would go out like a lion blasting KW a lot.

[Real]

Buehrle, Paulie, and Hawk all ripped on Ozzie.

 

Wow.

 

link?

 

from the two posted that you replied to, only Mark Buehrle was mentioned

[whitesoxfan101]

I heard the Hawk interview. I wouldn't go as far as to say he ripped on him, but he made it quite clear that this move needed to happen. He seemed to think that Ozzie hasn't had the same excitement for the job the last few years.

[Real]

also, lets get one thing straight, a new manager doesn't usually get the respect of his players in his first year and sometimes it takes a couple years for them to get used to the new guy

 

i don't expect much now going in to 2012, whereas with Ozzie, I hoped talent and complacency would prevail, but with a new mgr, i'm not so sure

[caulfield12]

I just read all the articles on the Trib and Sun Times Web sites and the players praised Ozzie.

From reading the board I got the impression Konerko was blasting him, etc.

AJ said he loved him like a member of the family.

We read what we want to read into things.

I don't think he looks selfish at all. I can't believe KW is winning this battle.

 

 

Yet the basic feeling all around was that it was definitely time for him to move on....that the "regime had run its course."

 

Nobody can take 2005 away from him or Sox fans.

 

It's just unfortunate the last 3 seasons have really tarnished his tenure in Chicago. If he would have left for the Marlins job after leading the Sox to the playoffs in 2008, the feeling would be 100% different from most posters here.

[max power]

I heard the Hawk interview. I wouldn't go as far as to say he ripped on him, but he made it quite clear that this move needed to happen. He seemed to think that Ozzie hasn't had the same excitement for the job the last few years.

Ozzie said it himself. Money is everything to him now. He doesn't give a f*** about anything else.

Edited September 27, 2011 by MAX

[caulfield12]

also, lets get one thing straight, a new manager doesn't usually get the respect of his players in his first year and sometimes it takes a couple years for them to get used to the new guy

 

i don't expect much now going in to 2012, whereas with Ozzie, I hoped talent and complacency would prevail, but with a new mgr, i'm not so sure

 

 

Kirk Gibson and his coaching staff in Arizona might disagree with you.

 

If anything, Ozzie was much more effective and had more respect from the players in 2004-06 than any point thereafter. The longer he was here, the greater the likelihood of him losing the team became.

 

 

[Real]

Kirk Gibson and his coaching staff in Arizona might disagree with you.

 

If anything, Ozzie was much more effective and had more respect from the players in 2004-06 than any point thereafter. The longer he was here, the greater the likelihood of him losing the team became.

 

I'm not sure what your point was, you can't possibly be saying the D'Backs situation is the rule, not the exception

 

No, that can't be..

[caulfield12]

I'm not sure what your point was, you can't possibly be saying the D'Backs situation is the rule, not the exception

 

No, that can't be..

 

 

No, only that there are certain guys like Gibson who simply demand respect and can change the atmosphere/chemistry around quite quickly.

 

Of course, that's not always the case. Sometimes no matter how talented the manager, he's not a good fit or the players just aren't good enough or performing through no fault of his own. Sometimes a grizzled old guy loses touch with the current generation of athletes. Lou Piniella with the Cubs, for example.

 

But it's not like the DBacks got a huge infusion of talent in the offseason. They've basically won with 8 utility players and Justin Upton. Obviously, Hudson has helped a lot, too. But Ian Kennedy's become a Top 3 NL Cy Young candidate out of nowhere and many underperforming players turned their career trajectories around.

Edited September 27, 2011 by caulfield12

[chw42]

LOL.

This means Williams is a butt kisser.

Good job, KW. You won the battle. You sucked up to the right guy, your boss, whereas Oz won't stoop to kissing anybody's butt IMO.

 

Kenny's always quiet, what's your point? He usually doesn't say the wrong things, in comparison to Ozzie at least.

[caulfield12]

 

"Ozzie’s a colorful guy. You guys will love him. You’ll have a lot to write about. He’s a colorful guy. He knows this game," McKeon told reporters after Monday's game, according to The Miami Herald.

 

(Manager Jack) McKeon also added this insight into Guillen's approach:

 

“I liked the way he was able to control the players, especially the Latin players,” McKeon said. “He wasn’t afraid to jump on them and encourage them but also try to help them. He wasn’t worried about being their friend. He was going to tell it like it is. And that’s Ozzie–he tells it like it is.”

 

Guillen has long been a candidate to be the Marlins' skipper. His relationship with the White Sox front office, in particular general manager Ken Williams, was often contentious, and a breakup seemed likely on many occasions.

 

"Was it time for a change? I don't think so," Williams told reporters Monday night. "I guess things were accelerated. We had no intention of firing him. This was kind of acquiescing to some of his desires more than anything. It is what it is. I don't wish to expound on any of the peripherals to the degree that they become more of a story than they really are."

 

FOXSports.com reported that at least one player would go to the White Sox as compensation for Guillen. ESPN Chicago reported that the Sox would acquire two minor leaguers. USA Today reported that the Sox are hopeful of receiving a "decent prospect" but won't get anyone on the Marlins' 40-man roster.

 

 

Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/mlb/story/2011...s#ixzz1Z8ktbWzV

 

 

Have seen conflicting reports about it being a 3 or 4 year deal. The only number I've seen so far is $16 million for 4 years...just think, a $40 million savings compared to our bargain deal with Adam Dunn, haha.

 

 

[Real]

subtopic is a little off

 

he didn't ask to be traded, nor did he resign

 

he asked for his release and the Sox obliged

[chw42]

subtopic is a little off

 

he didn't ask to be traded, nor did he resign

 

he asked for his release and the Sox obliged

 

They didn't even have to do that. They could have just ate the $2 million and let him not manage.

[knightni]

I appreciate that the team won in 2005, but I just got tired of Ozzie and his family.

 

They just got to be an embarrassment.

 

Ozzie has made questionable day-to-day management decisions for years, not just this year. This year however, the stakes were much higher and the price was greater if failure happened.

 

You can't finish in 3rd and spend $125 mil doing it. Even if the onus is on KW for the roster creation, the results were Ozzie's responsibility.

[caulfield12]

I'm just glad we don't know when he bought those plane tickets to Spain.

 

If it was when we were still legimately in the race, it would be even more evidence to support those who assert his heart hasn't been in it this year...or that he actually was managing to spite KW.

 

 

 

 

“Obviously, I appreciate that he respected my decision,” Guillen said. “And anybody in Chicago or anyone in baseball that blames Kenny or Jerry or front-office people, they're wrong.

 

“That's the decision I made, obviously for a lot of reasons. I will still live in Chicago. My home is in Chicago. The best thing about it, I leave here with my head up.

 

“Jerry gave me an opportunity to play in the big leagues and gave me an opportunity to manage in the big leagues. What else can I ask the guy? Give me the opportunity to be free when he didn't have to? I respect that. To me, Jerry means more to me and my family now than he did in the past.”

http://www.suntimes.com/sports

 

 

Read more: http://www.dailyherald.com/article/2011092.../#ixzz1Z96iYQVE

 

Barry Rozner of the Arlington Herald rips Guillen to shreds more than Rosenbloom

 

 

 

Remembering Ozzie

Posted by scotgreg on Tue, 09/27/2011 - 02:39

On the drive back home after a long, stunning day at U.S. Cellular Field, I had a chance to really think about what transpired.

-Ozzie is gone, and I’m going to miss him.

-Ozzie is going to be in a better place with the Marlins.

-Eight years in the dugout, especially the White Sox’ dugout, is a long, long run.

-As a working reporter, I’m going to miss Ozzie’s humor, brutal honesty and constant access.

-As a working reporter, I was stunned by Ozzie's unedited ramblings about once a day.

-As a friend for nearly two decades, I’m going to remember some really good times.

When I was newly married and thinking about a vacation in Aruba, Ozzie told me to give him a head’s up because that’s where his boat was docked and I was free to use it.

-When I was still new on the Sox beat, in 1995, I wrote a scathing column about the White Sox out in Anaheim, Calif.

It was right after the strike and shortly before Gene Lamont was fired as manager.

Looking back, I was pretty harsh and I took quite a few individual shots.

When we got back home and I went to Comiskey Park for the opening game of the homestand, the column was posted in the clubhouse and most of the players were not happy to see me.

One player pulled me aside and said: “Bleep them. Everything you wrote was true.”

Thanks, Ozzie.

-On a family vacation in Florida a few years ago, we caught some bad weather in St. Pete so I called Ozzie in Miami and asked him what the deal was in the Sunshine State.

“It’s beautiful here,” he said. “Come on down. I was at the beach and everybody was dancing around naked.”

How do you feel sorry for a guy like that?

I actually feel happy for No. 13.

These past two seasons were brutal, and you could see the end coming as soon as last spring.

It’s over now, and I think it’s going to be a good change.

I also think the heat is now squarely on GM Kenny Williams, without a doubt.

The manager is always the first to go, but the GM puts the roster together and Kenny has made some major gaffes in recent seasons.

There were obvious problems between Ozzie and KW, and I’m not going to rehash them all again.

I’ll just wish Ozzie luck down in Miami and never forget the good times.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 27, 2011 by caulfield12

[cabiness42]

That's a leaked logo found on the internet. Could it be their actual logo? Sure. But they won't officially unveil anything until November 11th when they officially become the Miami Marlins.

 

Are they really becoming the Miami Marlins? I'm just asking because in Back to the Future 2, the Cubs beat Miami to win the 2015 World Series. If they really do change their name to Miami, and there is some kind of realignment that makes a WS with the Cubs possible, I'm going to be freaking out come 2015.

 

[BigSqwert]

I hope all of you are prepared to see Ozzie win multiple titles in Florida while we get a boring manager here in Chicago.