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Ozzie Guillen Released from Contract


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QUOTE (Baron @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:57 PM)
Yeah he plays the..." Well even though Ozzie did this...Kenny did this which is worse" card

 

 

QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 06:20 PM)
On the Score, they said Kenny told Cora to not even show up at park tonight.

 

1.) How KW keeps his job after signing the worst player in baseball and signing Rios and Peavy ... it is just amazing. If Oz is gone, KW should be gone. Although they are spinning it that Oz left on his own.

2.) If he said it like an ass, KW is lucky Cora didn't pop him in the mouth.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:29 PM)
I am loving the Miami fan reactions (yes, I consider myself a "part-time" marlins fan). They are so happy he's coming and they think the new park is going to save the franchise and give them a $100+ million payroll. I dont think the park will save this team one bit. It might marginally increase attendance over 3-5 years after an initial year or two spike because of the "new factor", but that is about it

Marlinsbaseball seems to be very torn on the issue. Some like having Ozzie, some already know that he's a terrible in game manager and some(probably the majority actually) are pissed that they gave him so much money AND traded away some talent in acquiring him.

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QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:39 PM)
Marlinsbaseball seems to be very torn on the issue. Some like having Ozzie, some already know that he's a terrible in game manager and some(probably the majority actually) are pissed that they gave him so much money AND traded away some talent in acquiring him.

I've been over there (and am a member), I felt liek it was mostly positive, but maybe I am just not pay enough attention. lol

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:35 PM)
They should be thrilled to get Guillen.

Why wouldn't they be?

Excellent for them in a new ballpark and perfect for Ozzie as well.

Personally, I have no faith in south Florida baseball. Yes both Florida teams had/have horrible stadiums, but they have never had a lot of support. I just dont think FLorida is a summer baseball state.
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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:43 PM)
Personally, I have no faith in south Florida baseball. Yes both Florida teams had/have horrible stadiums, but they have never had a lot of support. I just dont think FLorida is a summer baseball state.

I think it has to be grown into organically, and that takes time.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:43 PM)
Personally, I have no faith in south Florida baseball. Yes both Florida teams had/have horrible stadiums, but they have never had a lot of support. I just dont think FLorida is a summer baseball state.

 

This is Florida's last chance at selling out the stadium on a regular basis.

They get a great manager who is Latin and a new ballpark. He also is great tool for PR.

He'll be all over the commercials as they market Ozzie Guillen, the man who won a WS in Florida and one in Chicago.

Perfect scenario for Marlins.

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Personally, I think Ozzie is a terrible fit with the Marlins. They're a big slugging team with Hanley, Stanton, Morrison, Sanchez and Buck. However, Ozzie will try to play small ball with Bonafacio, Infante etc. and likely take the bat out of his best hitter's hands. Ozzie would have been better with a team with more flexibility and speed.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:39 PM)
1.) How KW keeps his job after signing the worst player in baseball and signing Rios and Peavy ... it is just amazing. If Oz is gone, KW should be gone. Although they are spinning it that Oz left on his own.

2.) If he said it like an ass, KW is lucky Cora didn't pop him in the mouth.

Actually Ozzie said he left on his own as he wanted more money and thats all that matters to him. Stop crying and walk away from your keyboard.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:46 PM)
This is Florida's last chance at selling out the stadium on a regular basis.

They get a great manager who is Latin and a new ballpark. He also is great tool for PR.

He'll be all over the commercials as they market Ozzie Guillen, the man who won a WS in Florida and one in Chicago.

Perfect scenario for Marlins.

 

I'm just thankful there's not a big GLBT population in Miami that might have been offended by Ozzie's actions in the past.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:46 PM)
This is Florida's last chance at selling out the stadium on a regular basis.

They get a great manager who is Latin and a new ballpark. He also is great tool for PR.

He'll be all over the commercials as they market Ozzie Guillen, the man who won a WS in Florida and one in Chicago.

Perfect scenario for Marlins.

I tried to make it clear that I DO think it will work for the first year or two. No doubt about that. It's a perfect crescendo. But after the "newness" of the park falls off and if the team still struggles to get to .500, in 3-5 years attendance will go back down again to a little above where it is now. This is just my opinion and as a Marlins fan and future Florida resident, I hope I am wrong.

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QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:49 PM)
I tried to make it clear that I DO think it will work for the first year or two. No doubt about that. It's a perfect crescendo. But after the "newness" of the park falls off and if the team still struggles to get to .500, in 3-5 years attendance will go back down again to a little above where it is now. This is just my opinion and as a Marlins fan and future Florida resident, I hope I am wrong.

The real problem with the "First year or two" for Ozzie in Florida actually has a name. Or a couple of names. Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Ryan Howard, Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence, Cole Hamels, etc.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 02:51 PM)
The real problem with the "First year or two" for Ozzie in Florida actually has a name. Or a couple of names. Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Ryan Howard, Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence, Cole Hamels, etc.

 

LOL. I love how everyone is overlooking how incredible the competition will be for Florida for the next few years. The Marlins will be lucky to be a 3rd place team during Ozzie's tenure.

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QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:51 PM)
The real problem with the "First year or two" for Ozzie in Florida actually has a name. Or a couple of names. Roy Halladay, Cliff Lee, Ryan Howard, Shane Victorino, Hunter Pence, Cole Hamels, etc.

 

Nationals and Braves could be ridiculously talented as well the next few years. I think the Marlins have a lot of talent on their roster but very little depth. A bad year from Hanley or Josh Johnson or Stanton, and they're toast.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:53 PM)
LOL. I love how everyone is overlooking how incredible the competition will be for Florida for the next few years. The Marlins will be lucky to be a 3rd place team in the next few years.

I wouldn't overestimate the Braves, especially with what they're going through right now. They've got a legit shot at 2nd and the WC, and I'm pretty sure that Florida has some experience winning the WC and WS.

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QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:53 PM)
LOL. I love how everyone is overlooking how incredible the competition will be for Florida for the next few years. The Marlins will be lucky to be a 3rd place team during Ozzie's tenure.

 

They're in a worse situation, IMO, than the Blue Jays. The Braves have a great roster and will probably bring in some studs by trading someone like Jurrjens.

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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 07:48 PM)
Actually Ozzie said he left on his own as he wanted more money and thats all that matters to him. Stop crying and walk away from your keyboard.

 

You really think that's how it went down? The team didn't want him so he left for the big bucks where he gets a new start and he'll be loved.

 

Your last sentence doesn't deserve a response. I consider it baiting me into a fight. I won't bite.

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QUOTE (fathom @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 03:53 PM)
Nationals and Braves could be ridiculously talented as well the next few years. I think the Marlins have a lot of talent on their roster but very little depth. A bad year from Hanley or Josh Johnson or Stanton, and they're toast.

I'm going to give the Nats at least another year or two before I start thinking of them as anything. Stras will be on an innings limit next year, Harper will probably break in next year but it's going to take him a while to get to dominance, and Jayson Werth's contract makes Adam Dunn's look good.

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