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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:18 PM)
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I didn't know if Oz going to Miami was a good decision, but after the stuff I heard, plus how Miami is embracing him.... not even close.

 

 

I love his vague references to stuff he has heard.

He does that s*** all the time. We won't be worrying about Cowley much longer, the Sun-Times can't pay him to follow the Guillen family around forever.

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@cst_Cowley The Sox are going to miss a guy who openly admits he lost his passion for managing their team two years ago?

 

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I really do like Jerry Reinsdorf - whether he believes that or not - I just feel bad he has some serious liars in his midst.

 

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@Steve9347 Until the games started, was the quote. Get it right. If you heard what I did, you would understand why.

 

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@cst_Cowley Feel free to direct message if you care to share... these vague references hurt credibility. #sorry

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QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:18 PM)
cst_Cowley

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I didn't know if Oz going to Miami was a good decision, but after the stuff I heard, plus how Miami is embracing him.... not even close.

 

 

I love his vague references to stuff he has heard.

 

Wow Miami is embracing him how awesome is that.....I embraced my new puppy at one time. Then it s*** on the rug, pissed on the sofa and ate my kids new shoes. That $12M puppy is no longer embraced. It can't fend for itself so I am stuck with it. Loria would kick it tothe curb.

 

 

he will never get the rope he got here.

 

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:27 PM)
Steve9347 Steve H.

@cst_Cowley The Sox are going to miss a guy who openly admits he lost his passion for managing their team two years ago?

 

cst_Cowley cst_Cowley

I really do like Jerry Reinsdorf - whether he believes that or not - I just feel bad he has some serious liars in his midst.

 

cst_Cowley cst_Cowley

@Steve9347 Until the games started, was the quote. Get it right. If you heard what I did, you would understand why.

 

Steve9347 Steve H.

@cst_Cowley Feel free to direct message if you care to share... these vague references hurt credibility. #sorry

 

He continues to report one side of the story. "If you heard what I heard...."

 

Well yeah, Im sure Ozzie has told some whoppers, and none of it has to do with him

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QUOTE (Iwritecode @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:36 PM)
I have yet to see anyone add the words "until the games started" to Ozzie's quote.

 

At first, he didn't say until the games started, then it seems like he noticed what he was saying, and then he said "Of course, until I got to the ballpark, but as soon as the game was over and I left, I didn't have it. I used to.

 

Cowley is severely hurting his credibility.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:54 PM)
But that article was filled with tons of one-sided misinformation.

 

Honestly, it should be said why it sucks. If I had a twitter, I'd tell him it's awful because he's trying to play both sides and failing miserably. Ozzie didn't change, but yet, Ozzie admitted the past few years, he changed in terms of passion for the game. How it used to always be there, but now it wasn't until he showed up at the ballpark. Which one is it Joe?

 

I'd be willing to hear the full story, but he won't spill it, even after Ozzie has nothing to lose now. And it's not like Cowley has credibility to lose. Everyone of his peers has been throwing shots at him and he does and says nothing. He just tells everyone, they don't know the full story, but won't even tell it which leads me to believe, we do have the full story.

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 04:49 PM)
I'd like the world to know I LOVED that article.

See that's where we agree to disagree.

I love Ozzie Guillen.

Greg-

 

I want you to consider something. You seem like a very loyal guy. Loyal to players, coaches and managers that had a lot of meaning to the organization. Even well after their prime, you defend them. There is something good about that.

 

But let me ask you this. Let's say you are in Jerry Reinsdorff's shoes. He too is a very loyal guy (which alone should tell you something here). The organization has had multiple disappointing years in a row, despite your spending of a lot of money. You've got two people under him, that over the past month, have done this:

 

Person #1 offered to step down to a lower role due to the failures of the team.

 

Person #2 asked repeatedly for a raise and a long term contract, despite those same failures.

 

So, if loyalty is your game... which of those two do you keep? Because it seems to me that you are backing the wrong horse here, based on your own admitted tendencies.

 

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:17 PM)
Greg-

 

I want you to consider something. You seem like a very loyal guy. Loyal to players, coaches and managers that had a lot of meaning to the organization. Even well after their prime, you defend them. There is something good about that.

 

But let me ask you this. Let's say you are in Jerry Reinsdorff's shoes. He too is a very loyal guy (which alone should tell you something here). The organization has had multiple disappointing years in a row, despite your spending of a lot of money. You've got two people under him, that over the past month, have done this:

 

Person #1 offered to step down to a lower role due to the failures of the team.

 

Person #2 asked repeatedly for a raise and a long term contract, despite those same failures.

 

So, if loyalty is your game... which of those two do you keep? Because it seems to me that you are backing the wrong horse here, based on your own admitted tendencies.

 

I can't wait for this response...

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QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:49 PM)
I'd like the world to know I LOVED that article.

See that's where we agree to disagree.

I love Ozzie Guillen.

 

Ya know...I love Ozzie too...but I'm sure a s*** glad he's f***ing GONE!!!! Geez-us...we get it. You love him...support him...but GODDAMN...can you not see that a change was needed with this stagnant-ass team?!?!?!? What do you want from people?...to agree with you?!? Agree to disagree and leave it at that....

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:17 PM)
Greg-

 

I want you to consider something. You seem like a very loyal guy. Loyal to players, coaches and managers that had a lot of meaning to the organization. Even well after their prime, you defend them. There is something good about that.

 

But let me ask you this. Let's say you are in Jerry Reinsdorff's shoes. He too is a very loyal guy (which alone should tell you something here). The organization has had multiple disappointing years in a row, despite your spending of a lot of money. You've got two people under him, that over the past month, have done this:

 

Person #1 offered to step down to a lower role due to the failures of the team.

 

Person #2 asked repeatedly for a raise and a long term contract, despite those same failures.

 

So, if loyalty is your game... which of those two do you keep? Because it seems to me that you are backing the wrong horse here, based on your own admitted tendencies.

Wow, this is a fantastic post.

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QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 05:17 PM)
Greg-

 

I want you to consider something. You seem like a very loyal guy. Loyal to players, coaches and managers that had a lot of meaning to the organization. Even well after their prime, you defend them. There is something good about that.

 

But let me ask you this. Let's say you are in Jerry Reinsdorff's shoes. He too is a very loyal guy (which alone should tell you something here). The organization has had multiple disappointing years in a row, despite your spending of a lot of money. You've got two people under him, that over the past month, have done this:

 

Person #1 offered to step down to a lower role due to the failures of the team.

 

Person #2 asked repeatedly for a raise and a long term contract, despite those same failures.

 

So, if loyalty is your game... which of those two do you keep? Because it seems to me that you are backing the wrong horse here, based on your own admitted tendencies.

 

This is gonna be good.

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I read something today comparing Ozzie to Ditka, and it was eerily similar. They also said they wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie's tenure in Miami goes a lot like Ditka's in New Orleans.

 

What's also peculiar is the Marlins obviously tampered. The fact that the Sox don't call them out on this just shows how much they really care Ozzie is gone.

 

Also read where Ozzie's contract is 4 years $10 million. Not bad, but not the $4 million a year many reported. Still its a $700k raise from 2011. If I got a $700k raise, I'd be pretty happy about it.

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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:52 PM)
I read something today comparing Ozzie to Ditka, and it was eerily similar. They also said they wouldn't be surprised if Ozzie's tenure in Miami goes a lot like Ditka's in New Orleans.

 

Now that is a good comparison.

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