Marty34 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 12:53 PM) The dysfunction is going to fix itself now the the root cause of it is gone. It would be different if he were actually contributing something, but worrying about Kenny's dating life? That is the type of crap you want to hear more of? Blah, its all yours. No anti-Kenny stuff. He has done his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 12:58 PM) No anti-Kenny stuff. He has done his job. If he could actually concentrate on the job stuff, and not just being Ozzie's shill, it would be different. But like his mentor, he has no interest in actually being a columnist, because being a gossip columnist keeps everyone riveted to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) If he could actually concentrate on the job stuff, and not just being Ozzie's shill, it would be different. But like his mentor, he has no interest in actually being a columnist, because being a gossip columnist keeps everyone riveted to him. You have no interest in hearing any anti-Kenny stuff. He is doing his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) You have no interest in hearing any anti-Kenny stuff. He is doing his job. Right. Just like you can't handle anything even remotely anti-Ozzie. He was 10% of the problem here, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 09:45 PM) Um, part of Ozzie's job is to get his players to f***ing care. I can buy the other stuff, but Rios is definitely, at least in part, on Ozzie. Oof. Rios is 100% on Kenny. That claim was a big f***ing mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:02 PM) You have no interest in hearing any anti-Kenny stuff. He is doing his job. I think they've both f***ed up immensely. Both should have been gone, however, I'll gladly take Ozzie gone first as I was sick of his s***ty attitude and his family acting like a bunch of spoiled s***heads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) Right. Just like you can't handle anything even remotely anti-Ozzie. He was 10% of the problem here, right? Are we still under the assumption that Marty = Cowley? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) Right. Just like you can't handle anything even remotely anti-Ozzie. He was 10% of the problem here, right? No. I am big anti-Ozzie. Proof here on this message board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I'll take the heat off of Kenny for the Dunn move and to a lesser extent the Peavy move. The Rios one was incredibly risky and he knew it. The worst moves were the Rios/Hudson moves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) I'll take the heat off of Kenny for the Dunn move and to a lesser extent the Peavy move. The Rios one was incredibly risky and he knew it. The worst moves were the Rios/Hudson moves. I don't know that we can excuse the Peavy move, either. There were plenty of red flags even if he were healthy. What about the Swisher moves? What about the Manny move? He's on an epicly bad run here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I can't get over how excited I am about the White Sox. The team still has tons of problems but I think Ozzie was such a crash, unprofessional, pompous jackass, that nothing but good things can come of having him no longer being associated with our club. The fact that our options are potentially Alomar or Martinez, both of whom I think would be stark improvements from a demenaor standpoint would be great. I think Alomar might actually be the better fit because I think his more soft-spoken approach woudl probably go a long way after years of being around Ozzie. The team clearly is in a financial mess but there is some talent on the roster and while the talent isn't moveable, I'm hoping new voices and hopefully more motivation will help some of these guys figure things out and be productive. I fully expect Dunn and Peavy to make improvements a year from now and I won't be surprised if Rios & Beckham do as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) I'll take the heat off of Kenny for the Dunn move and to a lesser extent the Peavy move. The Rios one was incredibly risky and he knew it. The worst moves were the Rios/Hudson moves. The Swisher trades were awful too. Reminded of the terrible Linebrink signing last night watching the Braves game last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 11:13 AM) I don't know that we can excuse the Peavy move, either. There were plenty of red flags even if he were healthy. What about the Swisher moves? What about the Manny move? He's on an epicly bad run here. Manny move wasn't that bad. There was money and it was a last ditch effort. We really didn't lose a whole lot. Swisher was a disaster in Chicago and he didn't fit with Ozzie. Ozzie couldn't stand being around other louder players (hence why Cabrera & Swisher didn't get along and eventually were moved). Did it suck to give up Gio, absolutely, but at the time of the trade, the move looked like a great fit for the Sox. Peavy is only bad from a financial standpoint. He sold high on Dex Carter, Clayton Richard, and Aaron Poreda. Peavy was not struggling with arm problems, it was his ankle, and no one could have projected his lat would be torn apart. Kenny has had his share of failures too and I'd have been fine if he was fired as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:09 PM) I'll take the heat off of Kenny for the Dunn move and to a lesser extent the Peavy move. The Rios one was incredibly risky and he knew it. The worst moves were the Rios/Hudson moves. I agree with you there for the most part. Even the Swisher move ends up completely different if we have a manager who can handle him. He has had success before and after Chicago. His problem here was all Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 11:16 AM) I agree with you there for the most part. Even the Swisher move ends up completely different if we have a manager who can handle him. He has had success before and after Chicago. His problem here was all Ozzie. I think we both are on the same page regarding Swisher & Ozzie. Ozzie couldn't handle guys that would steal his spotlight. Its no wonder the Sox best players during his tenure were all quieter guys (Paulie, Dye, Thome, Buehrle, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) So the fact that he said he doesn't care about the World Series rings because they're not money and they're not important to him didn't bother you. He said that with a serious face. Or how about with ESPN in his face, in a serious manner saying he lost the passion for awhile? None of that bothered you at all? Or how about when in his into press conference here, he talked about this being the last jersey he ever wanted to put on, but then in his Marlins press conference saying he was plotting for a few years to get to Miami? I must say, if that's the case, it seems to me that you're a fan of the name on the back of the jersey, and not the front. Ironic considering Ozzie wants you to be the exact opposite. Not really. I saw some of the Florida interview and he referred to Chicago as "home." The stuff Ozzie says has never bothered me. I truly chalk it up as "Ozzie being Ozzie," and also the fact he is a former spoiled ballplayer who is now a manager. I think it's funny to see an egomaniac manage a team, I really do. I'd probably eventually have tired of his act had I thought he was a buffoon as a manager as you guys do. I had no problem with his moves for the most part. I don't give a f*** if he lost his passion. I think that's bulls*** again of Ozzie being Ozzie. You ever watch dugout shots when his team wins or does something good? He's into the game. He wanted to win. It was the inevitable divorce. Managers are hired to get fired. Yes, I guess, Jerry would have let him stick around the final year of his deal which is pretty damn gracious cause it would have been a disastrous year with Oz's mouth and the fact he has to do a pregame dugout chat with the media as well as postgame every single gameday. He wanted his extension and payday. As a loudmouth, Ozzie couldn't let that slide by. Only way to keep him happy is keep making sure he has a minimum of 2 years left on his deal. I am a Sox fan more than an Ozzie fan but this is tough for me as a fan cause Ozzie did win me over especially in 05. I think the guy was funny and even a good manager. He probably should have told his kids to quit acting up, but whatever. This Loria guy is truly bizarre, appears to be an asshole, so I don't know what will happen in Florida. There's something to be said about bosses like Jerry who apparently doesn't meddle too much (in terms of day/day strategy, etc). Loria seems like a prick. I don't think Sox fans will support a rebuild, at least attendance wise, so I don't know what will happen in Chicago. I can't even think of a former Sox manager I truly liked, so I would guess after the new guy is named, I won't defend him or even care about him much. I'll just want to win. Edited September 29, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Kenny traded for Swisher to play CF. Another mistake in talent evaluation on his part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) Kenny traded for Swisher to play CF. Another mistake in talent evaluation on his part. I don't remember, but if that was the case, that would've been pretty dumb. While you can slide him to CF, he's not an everyday player at that position. At the same time, Swisher was a great fit on paper. Personality wise, as someone else stated, Ozzie couldn't stand guys with bigger mouths than him which is why OCab failed here, but the other teams since liked him. I think part of that is also the clubhouse too. I wonder what they would do if they acquired a loudmouth player who was actually good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:24 PM) Kenny traded for Swisher to play CF. Another mistake in talent evaluation on his part. I wonder why he was playing LF opening day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I wonder why he was playing LF opening day. CF = LF? Oh, and I smiled seeing Dave Martinez on TV last night. He is obviously qualified for the job now. Edited September 29, 2011 by Quinarvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:04 PM) Oof. Rios is 100% on Kenny. That claim was a big f***ing mistake. He had a good season last year. The talent is there. The guy just didn't give a rat's ass this year, and it's on the manager to get the most out of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:32 PM) I wonder why he was playing LF opening day. The sad part is that from the sounds of it, he has his best CF playing 2B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) CF = LF? Oh, and I smiled seeing Dave Martinez on TV last night. He is obviously qualified for the job now. Alexei Ramirez was the opening day CF for the White Sox in 2008. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 06:36 PM) He had a good season last year. The talent is there. The guy just didn't give a rat's ass this year, and it's on the manager to get the most out of him. As much as you hate me, this is why I hate your posts sometimes. That's just insane reasoning. The manager has to try to get something out of a bum like Rios? History of sports on all levels show that a turd is a turd. Polish it all you want it's a turd. You hate Ozzie, fine. But to put Rios on Ozzie is unfair and in my opinion, totally unfounded. What's Oz supposed to do to fire him up? Put $10,000 in his locker and say he can keep it if he hits .280 and actually hustles? You get on me for not posting stats or things to back up my arguments that are based on theory. This theory of yours blaming Ozzie for Rios is so off base. Do you stand by this post of yours?? Good luck to the next manager in "getting the most" out of Rios. It's a miracle a manager can get Rios to show up to the park every day. Oh wait ... Rios wouldn't get paid if he didn't show up and might get suspended which would affect his pocketbook. So he shows up. Edited September 29, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 You cant fault Kenny for acquiring Swisher when the guy left here and went right back to his old self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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