Quin Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:22 PM) Its a nice haul for a lame duck manager who only cares about himself and money. I doubt its enough for jordan4life to blow kenny though. Which is what the organization really needed. At best he may fluff him up a little and walk away, or brush against him as he walks by. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Do people think I get overly excited over prospects? Where did this come from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Do people think I get overly excited over prospects? Where did this come from? Green? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 prospects? kennyhatesprospects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:49 PM) Do people think I get overly excited over prospects? Where did this come from? Because when talking about if KW got Florida to take Rios with Ozzie, I said "In before J4L says "I'd blow Kenny"" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 11:15 PM) Because when talking about if KW got Florida to take Rios with Ozzie, I said "In before J4L says "I'd blow Kenny"" Well it all started when he said he would blow Kenny in some other thread right? Somewhere in the Diamond Club I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 What would KW get from J4L if Williams acquired AA to be his assistant/GM-in-waiting and simultaneously sold Hahn's contract to the Cubs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kitekrazy Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 01:33 PM) Based strictly what I saw from his stats, he has one good year, followed by one bad year, followed by one good year... you get the idea. Sounds like the perfect White Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 12:34 PM) No one else enjoys the irony of getting a player back who can legitimately be called "Ozzie"? 1st thing I noticed and a SS to boot. Please don't tell me he's Venezuelan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/major...11/2612403.html When he's right, he sprays line drives from gap to gap with a level swing. He showed strong hands and excellent hand-eye coordination last year, when he looked like a potential No. 2 hitter with doubles power. Martinez's plate discipline took a hit this year and he never got going offensively and his confidence suffered. At times he fell into a pull mode, getting away from what made him successful earlier (but this flaw is expected to be fixed by Sox hitting coach Greg Walker, who's renowned for turning dead-pull hitters into spray hitters). Mentally he wasn't the same player, both at bat and in the field, where his play at short went from steady to erratic. He has the skills to play second and third and could fill a utility role. The strong arm is still there, as are the rest of his tools, but he showed only occasional glimpses of the all-around game that had Florida so excited a year ago. Puerto Rican, by the way. Maybe can guide Alex Rios... Edited September 28, 2011 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 If the Sox traded for me, I would be ok with this. To be rumored to get 2 prospects is a heist. Have fun MIAMI! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (MAX @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 11:18 PM) Well it all started when he said he would blow Kenny in some other thread right? Somewhere in the Diamond Club I think. I think he has some closet issues, because he is always talking about blowing some guy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Have the Sox officially acquired these guys yet or do they have to wait until Thursday when the season is over? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:06 PM) Have the Sox officially acquired these guys yet or do they have to wait until Thursday when the season is over? They have not yet. My theory is that it could a month or more until it "officially" happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:47 AM) http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/major...11/2612403.html When he's right, he sprays line drives from gap to gap with a level swing. He showed strong hands and excellent hand-eye coordination last year, when he looked like a potential No. 2 hitter with doubles power. Martinez's plate discipline took a hit this year and he never got going offensively and his confidence suffered. At times he fell into a pull mode, getting away from what made him successful earlier (but this flaw is expected to be fixed by Sox hitting coach Greg Walker, who's renowned for turning dead-pull hitters into spray hitters). Mentally he wasn't the same player, both at bat and in the field, where his play at short went from steady to erratic. He has the skills to play second and third and could fill a utility role. The strong arm is still there, as are the rest of his tools, but he showed only occasional glimpses of the all-around game that had Florida so excited a year ago. Puerto Rican, by the way. Maybe can guide Alex Rios... Sounds like a very talented kid that fell into a rut. Happens all the time. I think he'll help the team next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:34 PM) They have not yet. My theory is that it could a month or more until it "officially" happens. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 http://www.nbcmiami.com/news/sports/Marlin...-130781443.html When the Florida Marlins inquired about a trade for then-Chicago White Sox manager Ozzie Guillen, the White Sox asked for the same player in return as they did a year ago when Florida made the same inquiry: Logan Morrison. But even though he has been a thorn in management's side for much of the past season, the team refused to accept Chicago's offer, according to the Miami Herald. Instead, team owner Jeffrey Loria, who was involved in the negotiations, held out with the implicit threat that he would try to sign former Mets manager Bobby Valentine if the White Sox refused to budge. Valentine very nearly accepted the Marlins' top job in 2010 after Loria fired then-manager Fredi Gonzalez. The team ended up hiring Edwin Rodriguez instead. But regardless, the fact that the Marlins preferred to hold on to their outspoken outfielder is a good sign that the front office is devoted to putting the best product they can on the field when the new stadium opens next year. Multimedia Florida Marlins Managers PHOTOS Florida Marlins Managers More Multimedia Morrison ran afoul with Loria a few times last season, criticizing him for firing the team's hitting coach in June, openly feuding with team star Hanley Ramirez, and earning a time-out in Triple-A for skipping out on a photo-op with season ticket holders. But he was still one of the best hitters on the team last season. His batting average was a disappointing .247, but his power numbers improved (he went from 2 home runs in 2010 to 23 in 2011). Besides, a big drop in his batting average on balls in play (or BABIP, which fell from .351 in 2010 to .265 in 2011) could explain his struggles at the plate. BABIP is is largely a measure of luck, meaning he could see significant improvement from a likely reversion to his career average of .295. Either of the two prospects they did give up for Guillen, infielder Ozzie Martinez and pitcher Jhan Marinez, could conceivably wind up making the Marlins look foolish in the long run, like when the team gave up slugging 1B Adrian Gonzalez (then a minor leaguer) for reliever Ugueth Urbina in 2003. However, the Marlins made the safe play by offering a pair of unproven players for Guillen instead of Morrison, who figures to be a focal point of the team's batting order (along with Ramirez and Mike Stanton) for years to come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Trade official for Guillen. Sox get RHP Jhan Marinez and IF Ozzie Martinez from Marlins, who get RHP Ricardo Andres. CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen To make room on 40-man, Sox outright catcher Donny Lucy and RHP Jhonny Nunez to AAA Charlotte. MDGonzales Mark Gonzales RHP Ricardo Andres also goes to FLA in the deal. 1-0 with a 6.32 ERA at Advanced-Rookie Bristol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Trade official for Guillen. Sox get RHP Jhan Marinez and IF Ozzie Martinez from Marlins, who get RHP Ricardo Andres. CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen To make room on 40-man, Sox outright catcher Donny Lucy and RHP Jhonny Nunez to AAA Charlotte. MDGonzales Mark Gonzales RHP Ricardo Andres also goes to FLA in the deal. 1-0 with a 6.32 ERA at Advanced-Rookie Bristol. I know nothing about Ricardo Andres, does anyone have anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) I know nothing about Ricardo Andres, does anyone have anything? Honestly, that is the point. He is nothing. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...id=andres000ric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 27, 2011 -> 08:34 PM) No one else enjoys the irony of getting a player back who can legitimately be called "Ozzie"? I thought it was pretty funny actually Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 01:29 PM) CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Trade official for Guillen. Sox get RHP Jhan Marinez and IF Ozzie Martinez from Marlins, who get RHP Ricardo Andres. CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen To make room on 40-man, Sox outright catcher Donny Lucy and RHP Jhonny Nunez to AAA Charlotte. MDGonzales Mark Gonzales RHP Ricardo Andres also goes to FLA in the deal. 1-0 with a 6.32 ERA at Advanced-Rookie Bristol. I thought they would wait until today to announce it since waivers are not involved anymore! Oops...I heard that the Commish is calling this deal off: Ozzie didn't pass the "physical" (mental exam). Edited September 29, 2011 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Watch Ricardo Andres be the only player of the 3 who makes it to the big leagues... That would be pretty telling for KW's not so renowned Latin American scouting department. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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