RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:23 PM) If you want pretty damn good players, you're not getting them MLB ready. D1 had a terrible, injury-shortened season and is a FA in a year. Quentin had an injury shortened season again and couldn't come back at the end of the year at all, and for all I know as an opposing GM might have plenty of lingering effects next year. Floyd had his worst season since 2007 and has had his ERA slowly getting worse the last 3 years, although he does have 2 years before he's a FA so that counts for something. I'm not giving up a top 50 prospect for any of them unless that top 50 prospect is 2 years away from my roster. I'm just not. I expect to get a package better than Edwin Jackson commanded, so top 100 prospects are definitely in play if not top 50 for someone like Danks. Quentin is going to be an interesting bat on the market especially after Pujols and Fielder sign. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:26 PM) I expect to get a package better than Edwin Jackson commanded, so top 100 prospects are definitely in play if not top 50 for someone like Danks. Quentin is going to be an interesting bat on the market especially after Pujols and Fielder sign. Just because a GM made an utterly horrible mistake in trading for Edwin Jackson doesn't mean that the other 29 will make the same mistake. Zach Stewart was on Keith Law's prospect lists, but now where else, and he really belonged at AAA for the 2nd half of this year if you were truly 100% focused on developing him. And frankly, if I'm another GM, I want no part of Carlos Quentin. I'm not paying him $8 million or so in arbitration for 1/2 of a season of an .850 OPS if I'm lucky. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 Can't keep Ramirez and Santos in a rebuild. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:28 PM) Just because a GM made an utterly horrible mistake in trading for Edwin Jackson doesn't mean that the other 29 will make the same mistake. Zach Stewart was on Keith Law's prospect lists, but now where else, and he really belonged at AAA for the 2nd half of this year if you were truly 100% focused on developing him. And frankly, if I'm another GM, I want no part of Carlos Quentin. I'm not paying him $8 million or so in arbitration for 1/2 of a season of an .850 OPS if I'm lucky. Yes, but thats you. Look what Edwin got from the Cards (although he still sucked). I'm telling you right now Quentin with only 2 team bidding on him before the deadline was commanding some serious names, better than you think. It will be even better with more teams in the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Can't keep Ramirez and Santos in a rebuild. Yes, a cheap closer and a very good SS is an awful thing to have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Can't keep Ramirez and Santos in a rebuild. Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true, especially in the case of Santos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soxsider11 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 hawk just signed a four year deal. s*** Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:34 PM) Just because you keep repeating it, doesn't make it true, especially in the case of Santos. Santos is an incredible value even if not a closer, just in the pen. He made less than 500k this year and ranked 8th in saves in only his second MLB season and first as a closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 12:26 PM) I expect to get a package better than Edwin Jackson commanded, so top 100 prospects are definitely in play if not top 50 for someone like Danks. Quentin is going to be an interesting bat on the market especially after Pujols and Fielder sign. If history is an indicator, expect to be disappointed by KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) I'm telling you right now Quentin with only 2 team bidding on him before the deadline was commanding some serious names, better than you think. It will be even better with more teams in the mix. Quentin hasn't played in more than a month due to injury. Not going to get a better deal for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:30 PM) Can't keep Ramirez and Santos in a rebuild. Yes, nothing say rebuild like trading away the few proven cost-controlled pieces you have for, um, unproven cost-controlled pieces. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Wedge @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) If history is an indicator, expect to be disappointed by KW. Yup. Not every GM is as short-sighted as KW. It'd be shocking for any team to give up a guy comparable to Daniel Hudson for a year of John Danks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:36 PM) Santos is an incredible value even if not a closer, just in the pen. He made less than 500k this year and ranked 8th in saves in only his second MLB season and first as a closer. When are you going to win, 2014? Santos value will never be higher than it is right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:30 PM) I'm telling you right now Quentin with only 2 team bidding on him before the deadline was commanding some serious names, better than you think. It will be even better with more teams in the mix. Then he should have been moved then before he blew out his shoulder again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Yes, nothing say rebuild like trading away the few proven cost-controlled pieces you have for, um, unproven cost-controlled pieces. 2014. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) When are you going to win, 2014? Santos value will never be higher than it is right now. Actually, there's plenty of reason to think it could be a lot higher next year if he cuts down on the blown saves and snaps off a complete season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Yes, nothing say rebuild like trading away the few proven cost-controlled pieces you have for, um, unproven cost-controlled pieces. I dont think I've put more than one user on ignore in several years, and in the last 2 days I've had to put Marty and Victory both on it. Just awful. Santos is going to be worth so much to this team over the next few years and then will be a HUGE value in the trade market IMO. Less than a million bucks for a pen arm like that is awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:37 PM) Yes, nothing say rebuild like trading away the few proven cost-controlled pieces you have for, um, unproven cost-controlled pieces. And to show you how bad it is, I am agreeing with J4L. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:40 PM) Actually, there's plenty of reason to think it could be a lot higher next year if he cuts down on the blown saves and snaps off a complete season. And as that arm gets built up year over year, the chances of that happening keep going up. A lot of teams would love to have Santos, and the best thing we would get back is a guy who might be as good as Sergio in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SOXOBAMA Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 (edited) I am all for a rebuilding process. I just don't want a half ass job at it. Lets trade the following players Konerko Danks Floyd AJ Crain Thornton Quentin Ohman Also try to find several suckers to take Dunn, Peavy and Rios. I would be sad to see Buehrle leave but the 2 draft picks will be nice. Edited September 28, 2011 by SOXOBAMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Hawk: This is the most underachieving team I have ever seen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 01:55 PM) And as that arm gets built up year over year, the chances of that happening keep going up. A lot of teams would love to have Santos, and the best thing we would get back is a guy who might be as good as Sergio in a few years. By 2014, Santos will be just another bullpen arm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 07:04 PM) CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Hawk: This is the most underachieving team I have ever seen Accountability....YES! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 03:06 PM) By 2014, Santos will be just another bullpen arm. By 2014, the sky will have turned blood red. See, I can back things up as well as you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 28, 2011 Share Posted September 28, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Sep 28, 2011 -> 02:06 PM) By 2014, Santos will be just another bullpen arm. Which is odd, because all of his peripherals keep getting better every year he pitches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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