southsider2k5 Posted November 28, 2011 Author Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 12:35 PM) Can't we just call him Ozzie Martinez? Isn't that his name? Anyway, if the Sox are letting Buehrle go AND trading Floyd and Danks, they might as well trade Alexei too and see what they can get. With a bad team coming in 2012, and Martinez, Escobar, and Saladino in the pipeline, Alexei could go and bring back some good prospects. Mets may need a SS soon. His baseball reference pages goes with Osvaldo Martinez. http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/p...id=martin001osv Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 01:35 PM) Can't we just call him Ozzie Martinez? Isn't that his name? Anyway, if the Sox are letting Buehrle go AND trading Floyd and Danks, they might as well trade Alexei too and see what they can get. With a bad team coming in 2012, and Martinez, Escobar, and Saladino in the pipeline, Alexei could go and bring back some good prospects. Mets may need a SS soon. The Metropolitans aren't really in a position to be looking towards winning this year or trading away kids for veterans. They also have a guy in their system, Flores, who plays short, at least for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantl916 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 The Mets won't be looking for an Alexei type in a trade if it involves them dumping their young pitching or Ike Davis or Duda, which means that the Mets aren't a good candidate. Also, Wilmer Flores isn't a SS, he's likely going to need to move to 3b or the OF, and even then his star is fading quickly as he hasn't yet delivered on his potential. Nonetheless, if you're going to trade Alexei you might look at a team like the Cards, who stand to lose Furcal, and you set your sights high. Perhaps Alexei and Danks for Carlos Martinez? if you cannot get a monster talent in return you keep Alexei as he's well worth his contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 12:43 PM) The Metropolitans aren't really in a position to be looking towards winning this year or trading away kids for veterans. They also have a guy in their system, Flores, who plays short, at least for now. I was just throwing the Mets out there. It just seems like a Ramirez trade is a possibility if the Sox are giving up on putting together a pitching staff that would compete next year. My worst fear is that they trade Danks and Floyd, and then the season starts and Dunn, Rios, Beckham, and Peavy are all having good years--but now they don't have a pitching staff good enough to win. It seems to me they either have to go for it with what they have, or blow it up beyond recognition...and that would mean trying to move Quentin, Alexei, Thornton, Konerko and AJ, in addition to Danks and Floyd. The Winter Meetings next week should be interesting. Edited November 28, 2011 by flavum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 What a boring off-season league round so far... Hopefully picks up with the winter meetings around the corner... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 02:53 PM) My worst fear is that they trade Danks and Floyd, and then the season starts and Dunn, Rios, Beckham, and Peavy are all having good years--but now they don't have a pitching staff good enough to win. If this happens...if somehow this happens, you say a couple prayers of thanks and you immediately cut bait and run from Dunn, Peavy, and Rios, and you save as much money as humanly possible. If you can get talent back great, but if the awful contract 3 are playing well enough that they can be moved at a small loss or no loss, get rid of them immediately, and go into next offseason with no bad contracts on the books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whitewashed in '05 Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (Cali @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 02:25 PM) What a boring off-season league round so far... Hopefully picks up with the winter meetings around the corner... I was going to post the same. This has been a slow off season aside from the coaching changes. I thought Kenny would have at least a couple acquisitions by now. I sure hope he at least knows what direction he's going with the team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 28, 2011 Share Posted November 28, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 28, 2011 -> 02:27 PM) If this happens...if somehow this happens, you say a couple prayers of thanks and you immediately cut bait and run from Dunn, Peavy, and Rios, and you save as much money as humanly possible. If you can get talent back great, but if the awful contract 3 are playing well enough that they can be moved at a small loss or no loss, get rid of them immediately, and go into next offseason with no bad contracts on the books. Exactly. He described it as a worst-case scenario, but I was reading it like it would be the best possible outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Chuck Garfien (via Gammons) reporting that Kenny Williams will be a popular man to talk to come Winter Meetings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Swing a deal for McCutchen Kenny! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Nokona @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 01:15 AM) Swing a deal for McCutchen Kenny! May as well aim high and ask for Cole and Taillon in addition to AM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 01:41 AM) May as well aim high and ask for Cole and Taillon in addition to AM. I'd imagine the original post came from a report that the Pirates have declared that he is not off limits. However, his contract runs til 2015 so they'd be idiots to deal him anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 10:45 AM) I'd imagine the original post came from a report that the Pirates have declared that he is not off limits. However, his contract runs til 2015 so they'd be idiots to deal him anytime soon. What report was this? I actually don't check MLB sites as much anymore since 2K5 went Twitter crazy. I just go to DC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 10:51 AM) What report was this? I actually don't check MLB sites as much anymore since 2K5 went Twitter crazy. I just go to DC. Keith Law of ESPN.com hears that the Pirates don't consider Andrew McCutchen "untouchable." The Pirates have attempted to discuss a multi-year contract with McCutchen, but the two sides haven't made much progress until this point. It would be foolish to dismiss the possibility of a trade altogether, though they would likely have to be blown away in order to actually deal him. The 25-year-old remains under team control through 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 With White Sox devoted to idea of trading at least some parts -- Danks, Quentin, Floyd, Thornton -- it's hard to see how Buehrle returns. -- Buster Olney Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 24, 2011 -> 05:32 AM) I dunno about Stewart in either role. Basically, to me, Stewart's biggest weakness last year was that his sinker didn't have a whole lot of sink on it. He got a fair number of groundouts but it just didn't look like his ball was as heavy as I'd like it to be. I liked his offspeed stuff, but it was a bit inconsistent. If he's going to be a bullpen pitcher, basically he needs his first pitch to be a solid pitch, and that's his fastball/sinker. If he's going to be a starter, he needs that first pitch to push a lot of groundouts and also add in some additional offspeed stuff. I think he needs to work as a starter just to work on that sinker. You pitch him out of the pen and I see value. His velocity will be in the 95-96 MPH range as opposed to the 91-93 MPH range. A hard heater with that heavy sink would be very effective (nice for DP's, etc). Plus, there would be additional value in the fact that you could use him in a 2 inning or even 3 inning role in a pinch (assuming you ocassionally stretch him out). As a starter, I don't think he has enough secondary stuff to be anything more than a back-end guy and most likely I think he's one of those back-end guys you can't wait to replace. But I do hope I'm wrong. The reports on him when we traded for him looked nice, the more I watched him pitch, the more I thought his stuff was mediocre as a starter and the more I wondered what the heck our scouts were seeing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 10:59 AM) Keith Law of ESPN.com hears that the Pirates don't consider Andrew McCutchen "untouchable." The Pirates have attempted to discuss a multi-year contract with McCutchen, but the two sides haven't made much progress until this point. It would be foolish to dismiss the possibility of a trade altogether, though they would likely have to be blown away in order to actually deal him. The 25-year-old remains under team control through 2015. Blah. This has, IMO, less validity than when the Dbacks were "shopping" Justin Upton last year. This is just offseason filler. You might have 3 or 4 teams in baseball that could possibly put together a package worthy of McCutchen. Not saying they wouldn't trade him at some point (which would be really sad), but 2014 would be the earliest you cross that bridge. Edited November 29, 2011 by Jordan4life Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 http://chicago.whitesox.mlb.com/cws/downlo...2/2012_sked.pdf Premier pricing for the Brewers games? Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 29, 2011 Author Share Posted November 29, 2011 ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla White Sox blog: Bruney gets minor-league deal from White Sox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 02:24 PM) ESPNChiSox Doug Padilla White Sox blog: Bruney gets minor-league deal from White Sox Dominos start to fall... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 Doug Padilla White Sox replace Ozzie plan for season tix with a "Pick 14 Plan." Went on sale today. Indiv. game tix go on sale in Feb. For those who were wondering! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) Doug Padilla White Sox replace Ozzie plan for season tix with a "Pick 14 Plan." Went on sale today. Indiv. game tix go on sale in Feb. For those who were wondering! I like how they don't call it the "Paul Konerko plan", so they can still trade him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 06:05 PM) I like how they don't call it the "Paul Konerko plan", so they can still trade him. "Paulie Plan" does have a certain ring to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted November 29, 2011 Share Posted November 29, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 11:12 AM) With White Sox devoted to idea of trading at least some parts -- Danks, Quentin, Floyd, Thornton -- it's hard to see how Buehrle returns. -- Buster Olney That is the exact opposite interperetation I would take. If KW can move some parts to clear room, it makes it MORE likely M56 comes back. If they can't move pieces and get some OK value in return, that is when it is LESS likely, in my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 29, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) Doug Padilla White Sox replace Ozzie plan for season tix with a "Pick 14 Plan." Went on sale today. Indiv. game tix go on sale in Feb. For those who were wondering! I wonder if they will do a "Robin Plan" for 23 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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