Rowand44 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) Jon Heyman sounds like the #chisox are expecting to hold onto carlos quentin, talented yet inconsistent player who hit .254 Not buying it as that would make no sense whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:27 AM) Not buying it as that would make no sense whatsoever. LET'S MAKE A SLOGAN (this one is too easy and perhaps too cliche) Instead of "Under the radar," I'm going with "on the down low" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) Jon Heyman sounds like the #chisox are expecting to hold onto carlos quentin, talented yet inconsistent player who hit .254 Seems a little early to make this type of prediction. I'm sure there are teams out there that would like to have Carlos. Of course if there's not a worthwhile package offered for him then the Sox will most likely hold onto him. However, I see him being traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) Jon Heyman sounds like the #chisox are expecting to hold onto carlos quentin, talented yet inconsistent player who hit .254 Knowing KW, that means he is definitely getting traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:06 AM) Knowing KW, that means he is definitely getting traded You don't know what Williams is doing until he actually comments. This tweet means absolutely nothing. In the last 5 years, I don't think I've ever seen Williams lie to the media. He's extremely vague and selective with his words, but I don't ever recall seeing him lie. If he said "Carlos Quentin will be a member of the 2012 White Sox team," then I'd believe Quentin won't be moved. I won't believe a thing otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 12:21 AM) Jon Heyman sounds like the #chisox are expecting to hold onto carlos quentin, talented yet inconsistent player who hit .254 If the Frasor move means anything by itself, this actually makes sense. You don't hold on to a $4 million reliever to trade off a bunch of talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 08:39 AM) If the Frasor move means anything by itself, this actually makes sense. You don't hold on to a $4 million reliever to trade off a bunch of talent. Congrats on another season in AAA, Dayan. Or at least 1/3 of a season, until Carlos gets hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) Congrats on another season in AAA, Dayan. Or at least 1/3 of a season, until Carlos gets hurt. Unless he is moved for young pitching Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:57 AM) Unless he is moved for young pitching What insane GM is going to make that deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 07:49 AM) Congrats on another season in AAA, Dayan. Or at least 1/3 of a season, until Carlos gets hurt. If Carlos isn't traded, it'll be De Aza or Viciedo as the odd man out. It's too bad Rios is plugging up an outfield spot. Who knows, though? Rios could have a good year. (green?) With Carlos, I predict an outfield of De Aza, Rios, and Quentin. Without him, it's easy. De Aza, Rios, Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 09:00 AM) What insane GM is going to make that deal? Moving who for young pitching? Quentin or Viciedo? I imagine Viciedo could get more in return, but I wouldn't want to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 10:03 AM) Moving who for young pitching? Quentin or Viciedo? I imagine Viciedo could get more in return, but I wouldn't want to see that. Viciedo. The Sox would demand a premium young pitcher for a player like Viciedo, which means that some other team with and OF vacancy would need to be willing to part with a premium MLB-ready starter to fill an OF hole. I mean, the Braves have the players to make it happen and a corner OF need, but that's just not the kind of deal that would go down. The Sox would deservedly ask for Teheran out of that, and the Braves aren't giving him up for Viciedo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 FWIW, Kenny Williams did say to the media (drining to wite here) that the 2012 payroll will be slighty less than 2011 one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) FWIW, Kenny Williams did say to the media (drining to wite here) that the 2012 payroll will be slighty less than 2011 one. If that's true, I'm surprised. Then again, let's say that they have to decrease payroll by $5 million. How much does letting Vizquel/Pierre and the E.Jackson/M.Teahan trade offset the increase in salaries to guys like Floyd, Danks and Quentin? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox win Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Just caught the last minutes of sox talk in Boston, But they brought up an interesting trade: Danks, Sale and Quentin for Ellsbury, Reddick and Ranaudo(currently in the minor's with supposedly huge upside). I have mixed feelings about this trade proposal, but the thought of having Ellsbury is tantalizing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:07 PM) If that's true, I'm surprised. Then again, let's say that they have to decrease payroll by $5 million. How much does letting Vizquel/Pierre and the E.Jackson/M.Teahan trade offset the increase in salaries to guys like Floyd, Danks and Quentin? If we were to bring back Quentin and Danks, but Lose M-56, the payroll sits somewhere around $113 million right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (sox win @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) Just caught the last minutes of sox talk in Boston, But they brought up an interesting trade: Danks, Sale and Quentin for Ellsbury, Reddick and Ranaudo(currently in the minor's with supposedly huge upside). I have mixed feelings about this trade proposal, but the thought of having Ellsbury is tantalizing. I don't know anything about Ranaudo, but we lose at the rest of that trade, plus the Sox aren't trading Sale. He is literally the last guy on this roster, they would be trading today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) I don't know anything about Ranaudo, but we lose at the rest of that trade, plus the Sox aren't trading Sale. He is literally the last guy on this roster, they would be trading today. Well, that's probably Dunn, as nobody would take him for any reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox win Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:41 PM) I don't know anything about Ranaudo, but we lose at the rest of that trade, plus the Sox aren't trading Sale. He is literally the last guy on this roster, they would be trading today. If that's the FO train of thought there being short sighted, Ellsbury is a top 10 player and is under team control for the next 2 years and just entering his prime. While Sale has huge upside, you can't let a middle reliever upside obstruct getting a player like Ellsbury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 11, 2011 Author Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (sox win @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) If that's the FO train of thought there being short sighted, Ellsbury is a top 10 player and is under team control for the next 2 years and just entering his prime. While Sale has huge upside, you can't let a middle reliever upside obstruct getting a player like Ellsbury. Sale is under team control for five years, and he is going to be in the starting rotation next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (sox win @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:01 PM) If that's the FO train of thought there being short sighted, Ellsbury is a top 10 player and is under team control for the next 2 years and just entering his prime. While Sale has huge upside, you can't let a middle reliever upside obstruct getting a player like Ellsbury. He is also due big arbitration raises in those two years under team control, so it's not like he will be super cheap. And how is Sale's upside only as a middle reliever?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:39 PM) If we were to bring back Quentin and Danks, but Lose M-56, the payroll sits somewhere around $113 million right now. And bringing back Buerhle puts the payroll, if your other things you mentioned happened, puts the payroll at about $125 Interesting... I still think Quentin and Danks/Floyd is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (spiderman @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 04:10 PM) And bringing back Buerhle puts the payroll, if your other things you mentioned happened, puts the payroll at about $125 Interesting... I still think Quentin and Danks/Floyd is gone. Of course, doing that would leave us with either 6 starters or with Sale in the bullpen, again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (sox win @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 02:37 PM) Just caught the last minutes of sox talk in Boston, But they brought up an interesting trade: Danks, Sale and Quentin for Ellsbury, Reddick and Ranaudo(currently in the minor's with supposedly huge upside). I have mixed feelings about this trade proposal, but the thought of having Ellsbury is tantalizing. Did a moron fan propose this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sox win Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Nov 11, 2011 -> 03:15 PM) Did a moron fan propose this? I'm assuming it was, I caught the last minute's of the conversation. Maybe I have a bro crush on Ellsbury, but the idea of getting gold glove mvp in his prime just doesn't happen that often. Maybe if we forced them to take Dunn it would be a more appealing trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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