Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 I've heard Don't Stop Believin' too much this week for it to not be spring training yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 For the Sox to win the Central only 2 things need to happen. Quite Simple: Have a hot April/May. Have a winning percentage above .600 vs. the Division for the season. Not doing both has doomed them the last few years. Unfortunately, the team as constructed would have to have SO MANY lucky things happen all at once to pull it off. It just seems impossible: A simultaneous comeback from Dunn, Rios, and Beckham. Jake Peavy having no set backs and pitching his ass off. Danks and Floyd not being the maddeningly inconsistent starters they've been all of their careers on the South Side. Humber proving last year wasn't a fluke and Sale making a seamless transition popping the gun in the upper 90's all season long (not the 93 I'm sure he's gonna top out at most of the season) Thornton being able to shake off the nightmare of early 2011 or Reed stepping up and dominating ala Craig Kimbrel. The 2012 Sox have ONE player they can count on to put up numbers a contender needs and that's Paulie. Everything else is a small to huge question mark. That's not gonna win you many games in baseball... That being said I am excited to see Reed, De Aza, Morel (see if that September was a fluke or not) and Viciedo growing up. Maybe not excited enough to pay to watch the games, but excited to at least track their progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 By the third season at Camelback Ranch, neither the White Sox nor Dodgers made much money from playing there, according to documents filed Friday in U.S. Bankruptcy Court. The Camelback Ranch profits fell 65% in two years -- from $2,162,047 in 2009 to $759,017 in 2011, according to the documents. The average attendance for the White Sox hardly moved (6,119 in 2009 to 6,117 in 2011), but the Dodgers' attendance has dropped 17%. Trib Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Feb 17, 2012 -> 08:20 PM) For the Sox to win the Central only 2 things need to happen. Quite Simple: Have a hot April/May. Have a winning percentage above .600 vs. the Division for the season. Not doing both has doomed them the last few years. Unfortunately, the team as constructed would have to have SO MANY lucky things happen all at once to pull it off. It just seems impossible: A simultaneous comeback from Dunn, Rios, and Beckham. Jake Peavy having no set backs and pitching his ass off. Danks and Floyd not being the maddeningly inconsistent starters they've been all of their careers on the South Side. Humber proving last year wasn't a fluke and Sale making a seamless transition popping the gun in the upper 90's all season long (not the 93 I'm sure he's gonna top out at most of the season) Thornton being able to shake off the nightmare of early 2011 or Reed stepping up and dominating ala Craig Kimbrel. The 2012 Sox have ONE player they can count on to put up numbers a contender needs and that's Paulie. Everything else is a small to huge question mark. That's not gonna win you many games in baseball... That being said I am excited to see Reed, De Aza, Morel (see if that September was a fluke or not) and Viciedo growing up. Maybe not excited enough to pay to watch the games, but excited to at least track their progress Aside from Konerko, Lillibridge, and Humber nothing went right for the Sox last year. Unless the players mentioned above really can't play, I don't see why we should not expect a good bounce back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted February 18, 2012 Share Posted February 18, 2012 Profit at White Sox's spring home drops 65% in two years Nice misleading headline. Should read "White Sox and Dodgers' spring home." Sadly though I expect this from the Trib. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 (edited) The more interesting question is why did it decrease so much? Simply because of the lost ticket sales from the Dodgers? You'd have expected going into 2011 that optimism and interest would be about as high or equal to the first year (because of Dunn coming on board and the relatively positive 2010 season), and that's exactly what happened, it was stable. So instead of taking a direct shot at the chaos which was the Dodgers last offseason, they're firing a shot across the bow of the Sox for no reason at all. Sounds like the "anti-Ozzie" approach the last 3 years...we'll see how things go on the Northside, Southside and Miami. Sveum reiterated he will hold his players accountable, though he added it may not involve "screaming or yelling" at them. "It's just about when mistakes are made, especially on the mental side, that they're taken care of," he said. "They like to be held accountable. I think any human being does. It's the way America works. That's why we're the greatest country in the world, because we are held accountable on an everyday basis. "Our mothers and fathers always are held accountable, and the same as Major League Baseball players. They always have to be held accountable for what they do on the field, as well as off the field." Sveum's tough love approach will be interesting to watch, especially after the lack of accountability from players such as Carlos Zambrano and Milton Bradley in recent years. "You can tell that he means that," outfielder Reed Johnson said. "A lot of coaches and staff members can say that sometimes, but it's not genuine, or they're not really going to follow through. I don't think he cares if you're making $15 million or $450,000. You're going to go out there and play the game hard. And if you're not, you're not going to play. "For players like me, that's really refreshing, because a lot of the times, especially throughout the league and throughout my experiences, that hasn't really been true. The players know if you come in with that attitude, you're going to be in for a rude awakening with this staff." Edited February 19, 2012 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Feb 18, 2012 -> 11:25 PM) The more interesting question is why did it decrease so much? Simply because of the lost ticket sales from the Dodgers? I'd imagine it's in part because the "new stadium effect" has gone and there was a general economic downturn going on for the last several years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 Anyone know why the White Sox are the last team to report to spring traing and why their first full workout is 5 days after the first teams workout. This is almost one week less of spring training than some teams are getting. For a team that has started as slowly as they have maybe a late start is not the best thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) Anyone know why the White Sox are the last team to report to spring traing and why their first full workout is 5 days after the first teams workout. This is almost one week less of spring training than some teams are getting. For a team that has started as slowly as they have maybe a late start is not the best thing. The "First teams" started last week because they're heading to Japan a week before the US-based opening day. I don't know about other teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 12:07 PM) Anyone know why the White Sox are the last team to report to spring traing and why their first full workout is 5 days after the first teams workout. This is almost one week less of spring training than some teams are getting. For a team that has started as slowly as they have maybe a late start is not the best thing. I don't know, and I am pretty sure Spring Training is all sanctioned by the team's themselves, not anything to do with the MLB, so I'd imagine it was up the the Sox to pick a date, and apparently they wanted to get there late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 19, 2012 Share Posted February 19, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 11:15 AM) The "First teams" started last week because they're heading to Japan a week before the US-based opening day. I don't know about other teams. Chicago media was blowing the dale, Jed, Theo trinity and then saw the sox don't report until Tuesday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sunofgold Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 Anybody know what Robin Ventura's managerial style is going to be? That to me is the biggest mystery right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Feb 19, 2012 -> 11:05 PM) Anybody know what Robin Ventura's managerial style is going to be? That to me is the biggest mystery right now. My ultimate guess would be that he talks to the team, wears a uniform, and stays in the dugout most of the time. Other days, he will wear a jacket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 I don't think even Robin Ventura knows what his managerial style will be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted February 20, 2012 Share Posted February 20, 2012 (edited) NEVERMIND. Pitchers and Catchers reporting Thursday.. seems late, half the teams reported today. Edited February 20, 2012 by justBLAZE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (YASNY @ Feb 20, 2012 -> 07:19 AM) I don't think even Robin Ventura knows what his managerial style will be. I hope he's just the CEO of the team, so to speak. He can't know anything about handling pitching. I would think he has never has thought much before about hit and running, when to steal bases, etc. I hope he lets Cooper make all the pitching decisions and his bench coach most of the other in-game decisions. The guy has absolutely no experience. That's OK, though. Ozzie was hated so much by fans he's an easy act to follow. Edited February 21, 2012 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted February 21, 2012 Author Share Posted February 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 21, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) I hope he's just the CEO of the team, so to speak. He can't know anything about handling pitching. I would think he has never has thought much before about hit and running, when to steal bases, etc. The guy has absolutely no experience. That's OK, though. Ozzie was hated so much by fans he's an easy act to follow. Neither did Ozzie when he started managing either. The guy was a third base coach, not a bench coach or minor league manager. Cooper took care of the pitching staff the, and will now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 21, 2012 -> 11:48 AM) I hope he's just the CEO of the team, so to speak. He can't know anything about handling pitching. I would think he has never has thought much before about hit and running, when to steal bases, etc. I hope he lets Cooper make all the pitching decisions and his bench coach most of the other in-game decisions. The guy has absolutely no experience. That's OK, though. Ozzie was hated so much by fans he's an easy act to follow. Hopefully a guy who played 3b and actually had to do things like know when to hit and run will be decent at knowing when to hit and run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Feb 21, 2012 -> 10:48 AM) I hope he's just the CEO of the team, so to speak. He can't know anything about handling pitching. I would think he has never has thought much before about hit and running, when to steal bases, etc. I hope he lets Cooper make all the pitching decisions and his bench coach most of the other in-game decisions. The guy has absolutely no experience. That's OK, though. Ozzie was hated so much by fans he's an easy act to follow. You're probably right about the pitching. He'd be wise to let Cooper handle that. Otherwise, it's not like the guy doesn't know the game. A guy with as much playing experience as him will have an idea of when to hit and run, steal, bunt, etc. It'll probably take a bit for him to know his team and what each guy is capable of. Let's just hope he makes the right decisions with the knowledge he has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YASNY Posted February 21, 2012 Share Posted February 21, 2012 QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Feb 21, 2012 -> 11:06 AM) You're probably right about the pitching. He'd be wise to let Cooper handle that. Otherwise, it's not like the guy doesn't know the game. A guy with as much playing experience as him will have an idea of when to hit and run, steal, bunt, etc. It'll probably take a bit for him to know his team and what each guy is capable of. Let's just hope he makes the right decisions with the knowledge he has. It'll take Robin time to learn the league. He really should have a grace period from us fans for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Plenty of people here think they can manage a bullpen better than ozzie. I'm sure that robin will do just fine, while being criticized for being exactly the opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 Plenty of people here think they can manage a bullpen better than ozzie. I'm sure that robin will do just fine, while being criticized for being exactly the opposite. I thought Ozzie did pretty well managing the bullpen. It's filling out the lineup card where I thought I could do much better than Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Feb 22, 2012 -> 08:03 AM) I thought Ozzie did pretty well managing the bullpen. It's filling out the lineup card where I thought I could do much better than Ozzie. Managing the bullpen? Maybe. Knowing when to pull Jake Peavy and Philip Humber as starters? Awful, awful, awful. Maybe the worst decision making I've ever seen by a Sox manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2012 -> 07:57 AM) Managing the bullpen? Maybe. Knowing when to pull Jake Peavy and Philip Humber as starters? Awful, awful, awful. Maybe the worst decision making I've ever seen by a Sox manager. The worst part was he was in love with the L/R match-up for pitchers but than would never pinch hit to use it to his advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted February 22, 2012 Share Posted February 22, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Feb 22, 2012 -> 01:57 PM) Managing the bullpen? Maybe. Knowing when to pull Jake Peavy and Philip Humber as starters? Awful, awful, awful. Maybe the worst decision making I've ever seen by a Sox manager. Good luck to Robin in trying to convince Peavy to come out of a game. Good luck to Robin in dealing with AJP as well if he decides to play Flowers a lot. Good luck to Robin dealing with Rios and Dunn if he decides to "rest them" a lot. Whether you guys believe it or not, Ozzie was an easy manager to play for and a good manager. Good luck to Robin in dealing with the egos of these millionaires. There's a chance Robin could have some problems in the clubhouse with our veterans. If Robin is a natural as a manager, great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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