Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Adam Dunn 4 years, $56 million - 14 million per season GP: 122 AVG: .159 OBP: .292 SLG: .277 OPS: .569 HR: 11 RBI: 42 Carl Crawford 7 years, $142 million - 20.29 million per season GP: 130 AVG: .255 OBP: .289 SLG: .405 OPS: .694 HR: 11 RBI: 56 So, considering contract, who was worse? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Crawford by a long shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:11 PM) Crawford by a long shot. I had to go with tie. Dunn's OPS dropped .330 points, while Crawford's dropped .157 points. The difference in cost makes it a tie, in my book. Adam Dunn slugged UNDER .300! Think about that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 just remember that either way, Theo Epstien is still a genius and KW is the worst GM in baseball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) I had to go with tie. Dunn's OPS dropped .330 points, while Crawford's dropped .157 points. The difference in cost makes it a tie, in my book. Adam Dunn slugged UNDER .300! Think about that! Yeah, if you are talking about just 2011 it has to be Dunn. Worst season in the history of baseball trumps all, regardless of deal. If you are talking about worst contract in terms of his signing, it has to be Crawford. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:16 PM) just remember that either way, Theo Epstien is still a genius and KW is the worst GM in baseball This post is rather awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 According to Fangraphs Player Value, Crawford was $1.6 million this year, while Adam Dunn was -$13.1 million (you read that right). That means Adam Dunn underperformed his contract in the Fangraphs world by $27 million, Crawford by $19 million. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted September 29, 2011 Author Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) According to Fangraphs Player Value, Crawford was $1.6 million this year, while Adam Dunn was -$13.1 million (you read that right). That means Adam Dunn underperformed his contract in the Fangraphs world by $27 million, Crawford by $19 million. Wow. I read it right, yet I still can't believe it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jenksycat Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) According to Fangraphs Player Value, Crawford was $1.6 million this year, while Adam Dunn was -$13.1 million (you read that right). That means Adam Dunn underperformed his contract in the Fangraphs world by $27 million, Crawford by $19 million. Defense taken into consideration I assume? Although CC's defense might have cost them a playoff spot last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 04:28 PM) Wow. I read it right, yet I still can't believe it. Dunn's defense, baserunning, and positional adjustments were all much worse than Crawford's, and that adds up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:13 PM) Adam Dunn slugged UNDER .300! Think about that! I'd prefer not to. Crawford's contract is worse but for whatever reason I feel like he's a better candidate for a bounce back season, though that's just a gut feeling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 04:29 PM) Defense taken into consideration I assume? Although CC's defense might have cost them a playoff spot last night. Yes, defense is counted, although Crawford was a slightly below average LF in terms of UZR this year. Dunn was a -5 run player at 1b. Crawford was also a more effective baserunner. Big difference also is that Dunn played 1b and DH while Crawford played LF. You're supposed to get better production from 1b and DH than you do from LF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:31 PM) I'd prefer not to. Crawford's contract is worse but for whatever reason I feel like he's a better candidate for a bounce back season, though that's just a gut feeling. I feel the opposite. I think Crawford is just going to get eaten up in Boston. I just have the gut feeling that Dunn goes back to close to normal next year with a new manager and some time away from the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanne Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) I feel the opposite. I think Crawford is just going to get eaten up in Boston. I just have the gut feeling that Dunn goes back to close to normal next year with a new manager and some time away from the game. And and offseason conditioning program.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T R U Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 I choose Joe Mauer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Rios vs. Crawford might be a more fair comparison. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) Rios vs. Crawford might be a more fair comparison. Alex Rios was worth -$2.9 million in the fangraphs world and is paid $12 million. He underperformed his contract in the fangraphs world by $14.9 million, and thus is the bargain of the trio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 04:05 PM) Alex Rios was worth -$2.9 million in the fangraphs world and is paid $12 million. He underperformed his contract in the fangraphs world by $14.9 million, and thus is the bargain of the trio. Yeah, but Rios is a lazy POS who doesn't throw his bat enough for my liking. Plus he's an awful interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 05:09 PM) Yeah, but Rios is a lazy POS who doesn't throw his bat enough for my liking. Plus he's an awful interview. Dunn is an awful interview too. Every 4th word he tries to utter is interrupted by the phrase "you know". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 04:11 PM) Dunn is an awful interview too. Every 4th word he tries to utter is interrupted by the phrase "you know". He puts so much more effort into be interviews though. As he stumbles from phrase to phrase I find myself saying, " At least he's trying." Edited September 29, 2011 by TaylorStSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Crawford, contract considered and the fact that he was an A+ deal to Klaw while Paulie was a D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 There is so much bad with these two contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bschmaranz Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 Dunn and it's not even close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (Papa Tru @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:53 PM) I choose Joe Mauer Ding Ding Ding!!!! We have a winner! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigEdWalsh Posted September 29, 2011 Share Posted September 29, 2011 QUOTE (bschmaranz @ Sep 29, 2011 -> 03:08 PM) Dunn and it's not even close. Absolutely! .159.....unbelievable. 11 hrs and 42 rbi's?! Unthinkable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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