BamaDoc Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Per the MLB trade rumors site link, Buehrle, Pierre, and Frasor rank as type B free agents meaning if arbitration is offered and rejected by the player, if the player signs elsewhere the Sox receive a supplemental pick between the first and second round. The good news is the pick is not from a signing team so it does not keep anyone from signing them. The picks could be quite useful to restock the minor league system. The down side is if the player accepts you are stuck with them and at a arbitration price ie maybe not the price you want. Buehrle no brainer you offer so if he doesn't resign you get the pick. He will have multi year offers. Frasor tougher call. May decline in search of a multiyear (two) year deal and I think someone would do that so I say offer. Pierre toughest call. You don't want him back, unlikely to get multi year offer so highest chance of accepting, so I think despite wanting the pick you have to pass. I would however, try to get him to agree to refuse arbitration thus getting the pick. I would have a wink wink agreement that he could be a minor league instructor when his playing days are thru. Thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 08:05 AM) Per the MLB trade rumors site link, Buehrle, Pierre, and Frasor rank as type B free agents meaning if arbitration is offered and rejected by the player, if the player signs elsewhere the Sox receive a supplemental pick between the first and second round. The good news is the pick is not from a signing team so it does not keep anyone from signing them. The picks could be quite useful to restock the minor league system. The down side is if the player accepts you are stuck with them and at a arbitration price ie maybe not the price you want. Buehrle no brainer you offer so if he doesn't resign you get the pick. He will have multi year offers. Frasor tougher call. May decline in search of a multiyear (two) year deal and I think someone would do that so I say offer. Pierre toughest call. You don't want him back, unlikely to get multi year offer so highest chance of accepting, so I think despite wanting the pick you have to pass. I would however, try to get him to agree to refuse arbitration thus getting the pick. I would have a wink wink agreement that he could be a minor league instructor when his playing days are thru. Thoughts? If the Sox offered Pierre arbitration, and he accepted, the reality is without the LA money, they are looking at paying him double what they have been paying him. I don't think they offer. Frasor is a tough call., as far as picking up his option but I don't see them offering him arb if they reject his option. Buerhle obviously you offer. Another thing to consider, the Sox don't like spending a lot of money on the draft. I don't know if JR would really appreciate a bunch of supplemental picks considering their rate of panning out and the bonuses they are paid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Pierre will sign a minimum veteran deal to play in Florida next year. You heard it here first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Frasor will get offered because he's decent enough that they will get draft picks out of it if he declines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Frasor does have a team option, and another thing to keep in mind, he was one of only a couple that accepted arbitration last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 I'd decline option on Frasor and offer him and Buehrle arbitration. Frasor didn't impress me much the time he was here but I don't think he hurts us at all if he accepts and if not draft picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) I'd decline option on Frasor and offer him and Buehrle arbitration. Frasor didn't impress me much the time he was here but I don't think he hurts us at all if he accepts and if not draft picks. Unfortunately, if we need to cut significant payroll, then Frasor is a luxury we can't afford. If he were to accept an arbitration offer, are there any restrictions on quickly you can move him afterwards? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 Can't believe Mark Buehrle is only a Type B Free Agent. Does someone have an exxplanation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) I'd decline option on Frasor and offer him and Buehrle arbitration. Frasor didn't impress me much the time he was here but I don't think he hurts us at all if he accepts and if not draft picks. I actually wouldn't be surprised if they picked up Frasor's option. Barring that, though, I'm sure they will offer arbitration to him and Buehrle. No way they offer it to Pierre. QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Can't believe Mark Buehrle is only a Type B Free Agent. Does someone have an exxplanation? Because he's just not that good? Sure, he had a pretty good year this season, but the guy is really never that great. He's above average, but not great. That's like the definition of a "B". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 11:14 AM) Unfortunately, if we need to cut significant payroll, then Frasor is a luxury we can't afford. If he were to accept an arbitration offer, are there any restrictions on quickly you can move him afterwards? No, he could be traded at any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marky Mark Posted October 1, 2011 Share Posted October 1, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Can't believe Mark Buehrle is only a Type B Free Agent. Does someone have an exxplanation? We love him more than the rest of the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (Markbilliards @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 06:54 PM) We love him more than the rest of the world. There's guys who are type A that are worth far less in value. I think we should offer Buehrle arb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Yep. I don't think that the Elias Sports Bureau rankings are very advanced measures of relative worth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 07:20 PM) There's guys who are type A that are worth far less in value. I think we should offer Buehrle arb. Indeed. He will probably be the only Elias ranked free agent that the Sox offer arbitration too. I want them to offer Frasor, but I can't see it happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 07:20 PM) There's guys who are type A that are worth far less in value. Absolutely. And Buehrle is used to that his whole career. Many people still ask how the hell does a guy with mediocre stuff (and even that is being nice) have 2 no hitters (1 was a perfect game) in his career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 Lastings Milledge elected free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:53 PM) Lastings Milledge elected free agency. As well he should. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 2, 2011 Share Posted October 2, 2011 He might well be able to get a corner OF starting position in Florida if they give their manager enough control. (Yes, I know who Florida currently has as their startign corner OF"s.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Whats Frasor's option anyway? And any chance its picked up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (whitesox901 @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) Whats Frasor's option anyway? And any chance its picked up? 1 year, $3.5 million club option. Based on how he performed its very unlikely the team will pick that up. The team does have the right to decline that option and still offer him arbitration. Should Frasor accept that arbitration, this year's salary is $2.5 million and that's somewhere in the area of a starting point for negotiations. Should Frasor decline that arbitration and sign elsewhere, the Sox would receive a Sandwich pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 3, 2011 Share Posted October 3, 2011 QUOTE (oldsox @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 10:18 AM) Can't believe Mark Buehrle is only a Type B Free Agent. Does someone have an exxplanation? MB is not a elite starter and really is overvalued by Sox fans, he is a mediocre innings eater .500 pitcher at this point. Let MB go somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JorgeFabregas Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 2, 2011 -> 12:17 PM) He might well be able to get a corner OF starting position in Florida if they give their manager enough control. (Yes, I know who Florida currently has as their startign corner OF"s.) You know who's going to get a million plate appearances next year? Emilio Bonifacio. Marlins fans better hope that his walk rate is at 2011 levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 Bonifacio, Infante, Pierre (acquired!), and Vizquel (acquired also!) will get quite a few at-bats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 4, 2011 Share Posted October 4, 2011 QUOTE (JorgeFabregas @ Oct 3, 2011 -> 11:59 PM) You know who's going to get a million plate appearances next year? Emilio Bonifacio. Marlins fans better hope that his walk rate is at 2011 levels. A 26 year old leadoff hitter who put up a .360 OBP and a .753 OPS, while being 40/51 (just under 80%) stolen bases? I'd give that a good number of at bats too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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