RockRaines Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 0% chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeynach Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 No, the only way CQ is on this team opening day is if his value on the trade market diminished so much KW couldnt get any value for him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Only KW knows for sure, but it will be a crime if CQ is traded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) Only KW knows for sure, but it will be a crime if CQ is traded Ugh, so false. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vance Law Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) what we think Quentin should be worth. I guess the question is, "just what do you think that is?" You can reasonably expect him to put up an OPS between .800 and .850, play below-average right field (hopefully not atrocious). Track record indicates a likely DL stint (hopefully not a whole month, but maybe) and all this for a price tag of around $7 million? In my opinion, you take whatever you can get for him and non-tender if you can't trade him. It's not that he doesn't have any value as a ballplayer. But he's not worth that pricetag when you have Viciedo who can likely do the same thing for $7 million less. Especially with the payroll as it is. He has value to a team in need of corner outfield power whose willing to pay. Who are those teams? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 kW has a big ego, and this is one of his trades that almost worked. Quentin goes only as a last resort Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spiderman Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (sunofgold @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 03:27 PM) Any way that we keep Quentin in 2012? He really didn't increase his trade value being on the DL for the end of the season. I am looking at this team and not taking salaries in consideration..this would be our best OF combination for 2012. Viciedo in LF, De Aza in CF, and Quentin in RF. Maybe not the best defensively but I believe that Carlos improved his defense in 2011 vs 2010. Offensively however this would give us a nice middle of the order with Konerko, Viciedo, and Quentin. You could bat them in any order that you like. And De Aza would be given the chance to be the new leadoff man. But then there is Rios. I know that he has a big salary. But I hope that the White Sox make him earn a starting spot. Let him know that he isn't guaranteed a starting spot and has to go out and earn it. Same for Dunn..make them earn the playing time. Lillibridge also fits in nicely in a corner OF spot or 1B and Konerko or Viciedo or Quentin can DH a bit. The White Sox are going to cut payroll as much as they can for next season and try to add as many young prospects as possible. I think Danks will bring back 2 good prospects and Quentin can bring back something of worth, but I'm not sure what kind of return they can expect to get, besides salary relief (which is significant if you're trying to trim payroll) for guys like A.J. and Thornton. Gavin Floyd is another guy who they can land a good prospect for, being an established major league pitcher and making affordable money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Let's not forget the Sox just picked up a couple of pretty good prospects for Scarface. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macsandz Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (klaus kinski @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 08:45 PM) kW has a big ego, and this is one of his trades that almost worked. Quentin goes only as a last resort True...2 seasons ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) I'm ready for the headcase to be gonezo. I don't think it's fair to call the guy a headcase. It seemed to me he actually tries when he's on the field unlike his zombie-like teammates (there are some exceptions; Pierre, DeAza hustled a lot IMO). He hit 24 homers with 77 rbi in 118 games. Not great, but if Rios put up these numbers he'd be worshiped. Carlos had .340 OBP and .499 SLG. Compared to some guys on our team he was Albert Pujols-like. I agree we probably can't get much for our all-star but he's not a bum either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictoryMC98 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 kW has a big ego, and this is one of his trades that almost worked. Quentin goes only as a last resort Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare... It just another BUST from KW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
winninguglyin83 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 he's gone to make room for Viciedo. gone to save salary. gone because he can't stay healthy. gone because he takes so many HBP that he's nearly a lock to be injured again. and again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) Only KW knows for sure, but it will be a crime if CQ is traded No knowledge of baseball economics whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) I don't think it's fair to call the guy a headcase. It seemed to me he actually tries when he's on the field unlike his zombie-like teammates (there are some exceptions; Pierre, DeAza hustled a lot IMO). He hit 24 homers with 77 rbi in 118 games. Not great, but if Rios put up these numbers he'd be worshiped. Carlos had .340 OBP and .499 SLG. Compared to some guys on our team he was Albert Pujols-like. I agree we probably can't get much for our all-star but he's not a bum either. Does a player need to be a grindy little speedster for you to think he's actually trying? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:49 PM) I don't think it's fair to call the guy a headcase. It seemed to me he actually tries when he's on the field unlike his zombie-like teammates (there are some exceptions; Pierre, DeAza hustled a lot IMO). He hit 24 homers with 77 rbi in 118 games. Not great, but if Rios put up these numbers he'd be worshiped. Carlos had .340 OBP and .499 SLG. Compared to some guys on our team he was Albert Pujols-like. I agree we probably can't get much for our all-star but he's not a bum either. Do you know what a headcase even is? Hint: a guy who punches his own bat during a playoff push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades, my arguments, and nuclear warfare... It just another BUST from KW. Fixed. Edited October 6, 2011 by Quinarvy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare... It just another BUST from KW. Bust huh? Quentin had an MVP year in 2008, a very down year in 2009, a very, very down year in 2010 outside of a 16 game stretch which essentially made him worth his contract, and he had a good overall year this year. In his 4 years with the White Sox thus far, he has accumulated 7 wins - 4.8 his first year, 0 or less the next 2 years, and 2.6 this past year. The player the White Sox traded for Carlos Quentin has a career WAR of -1.3 in 124 PAs and it's entirely possible that he'll never be anything more than a glorified platoon player. The White Sox did not lose this trade, Carlos Quentin was not a bust, and anybody suggesting anything along those lines is wrong. Flat.out.wrong. So, naturally, you would say something like that. --- I expect him to be traded. I'm not expecting a lot, but I do expect them to pick up an athletic player of some type. That seems to be the direction this organization is now looking when it comes to adding minor leaguers. So probably someone up the middle with high upside but with some problems. Or perhaps a pitcher with a lot of upside but some problems, ala Gavin Floyd or Jose Contreras. I'd also expect them to pick up another arm in the deal simply because that's how they roll. So basically a top 6-12 prospect (depending upon the depth of the opposing minor league system, of course) and a semi-high upside arm. That doesn't sound unreasonable, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 09:59 PM) Almost only counts in horseshoes, hand grenades and nuclear warfare... It just another BUST from KW. Your posts/ideas/comments/opinions are just getting worse and worse. Wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:37 AM) Do you know what a headcase even is? Hint: a guy who punches his own bat during a playoff push. How many years ago was that? Seems to me he worked some on his temper/demeanor. I thought he was good this year. Had decent numbers, not great. He's definitely worth being our starting rightfielder next season IMO. Edited October 6, 2011 by greg775 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 01:33 AM) How many years ago was that? I thought he was good this year. Had decent numbers, not great. He's definitely worth being our starting rightfielder next season IMO. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 11:33 PM) No knowledge of baseball economics whatsoever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cabiness42 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I realize that I am in the extreme minority, but I believe that Carlos Quentin will be on the Sox 2012 Opening Day Roster. I don't believe that KW can sell, or even wants to sell, to the fan base that they can't afford to pay their second-best hitter $7-8M in 2012 because Jake Peavy, Adam Dunn, and Alex Rios are eating up $50M or whatever. KW will find a way to keep him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:03 AM) I realize that I am in the extreme minority, but I believe that Carlos Quentin will be on the Sox 2012 Opening Day Roster. I don't believe that KW can sell, or even wants to sell, to the fan base that they can't afford to pay their second-best hitter $7-8M in 2012 because Jake Peavy, Adam Dunn, and Alex Rios are eating up $50M or whatever. KW will find a way to keep him. I believe because the team has to pay so much money to Dunn, Peavy, and Rios that trading Quentin (and hopefully getting something decent in return) makes sense. I hope that if he is traded he's not traded for nothing. If KW can't get something of value in return he should be kept. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Vance Law @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 08:43 PM) I guess the question is, "just what do you think that is?" You can reasonably expect him to put up an OPS between .800 and .850, play below-average right field (hopefully not atrocious). Track record indicates a likely DL stint (hopefully not a whole month, but maybe) and all this for a price tag of around $7 million? In my opinion, you take whatever you can get for him and non-tender if you can't trade him. It's not that he doesn't have any value as a ballplayer. But he's not worth that pricetag when you have Viciedo who can likely do the same thing for $7 million less. Especially with the payroll as it is. He has value to a team in need of corner outfield power whose willing to pay. Who are those teams? that is the key. We have a guy on the roster who is going to be putting up pretty close to Q's numbers at 5% of the cost. That's why you make the trade. Plus the odds are you can get someone to help you at some point for Q, so you end up with Viciedo+trade pieces+a lot of cash>Carlos Quentin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 5, 2011 -> 11:43 PM) Fixed. Yep, that's a paddlin too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:23 AM) that is the key. We have a guy on the roster who is going to be putting up pretty close to Q's numbers at 5% of the cost. That's why you make the trade. Plus the odds are you can get someone to help you at some point for Q, so you end up with Viciedo+trade pieces+a lot of cash>Carlos Quentin. So what happens if, because of his injury, the trade pieces aren't very good or you even have to chip in some cash? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.