fathom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I liked the quote from Danks about how Ventura knew what was going on with the players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Steve, Maybe its because some of the most famous baseball managers were "player managers." I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont want to research the fact that there is almost 0 correlation between MLB managerial experience and success at the major league level. I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont believe Robin can be a good manager just because he hasnt been a coach. Whatever the facts, I really cant imagine anyone creating a good argument that MLB manager is harder than NBA/NFL. And thats the comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This sucks. Hard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Presser on 670 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (robinventura23 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:53 PM) I'm ambivalent on this. But there are reasons why he is my all-time favorite player. Let's give him a shot. Let's hope he has a strong coaching staff behind him, too. Yep, this is exactly what I said the organization was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) Steve, Maybe its because some of the most famous baseball managers were "player managers." I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont want to research the fact that there is almost 0 correlation between MLB managerial experience and success at the major league level. I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont believe Robin can be a good manager just because he hasnt been a coach. Whatever the facts, I really cant imagine anyone creating a good argument that MLB manager is harder than NBA/NFL. And thats the comparison. The problem is that we know absolutely nothing about Ventura as a coach/manager. We'd at least like to get a freaking idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elrockinMT Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I asked for carlton Fisk and anyone who joined me was closer in reality than any of you other jokers - er I mean Soxtalk posters. It's the organizational thing. I look forward to success in 2012. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) The Chicago media is still figuring out how to spin it so it seems brilliant. Exactly. I love how people are popping up with the tweets from various Chicago newsmen saying how they like the move, when these are the same guys who wouldn't say a negative thing about Ozzie until it was absolutely clear that he wasn't coming back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoodAsGould Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) Steve, Maybe its because some of the most famous baseball managers were "player managers." I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont want to research the fact that there is almost 0 correlation between MLB managerial experience and success at the major league level. I think its interesting (insert stupid) that people dont believe Robin can be a good manager just because he hasnt been a coach. Whatever the facts, I really cant imagine anyone creating a good argument that MLB manager is harder than NBA/NFL. And thats the comparison. I think that's the most important statement, a lot of mlb manager's wouldn't even hack it as a coordinator or even position coach in the NFL and the same for being on an NBA coaching staff. With baseball, even moreso in the AL as long as you are good with handling personalities and not a clueless idiot you can be fine at your job. Hell Ozzie lasted for 8 years and he wasn't good at either of those things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pettie4sox Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I'll wait to pass judgement to see what kind of team we have in ST. If this is a get me over manager while we rebuild, all of us should be pretty pissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) I asked for carlton Fisk and anyone who joined me was closer in reality than any of you other jokers - er I mean Soxtalk posters. It's the organizational thing. I look forward to success in 2012. Big difference in attitude between Fisk and Ventura. But yeah, I guess it could have been him, I'm done pretending to know what this organization is thinking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:07 PM) I asked for carlton Fisk and anyone who joined me was closer in reality than any of you other jokers - er I mean Soxtalk posters. It's the organizational thing. I look forward to success in 2012. Carlton and Robin were very tight. Maybe you'll almost get that wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:00 PM) No managerial experience is quite different from no coaching experience. We've only said it 50 times. People will continue using that line of thought anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Robin assisted Buddy Bell within the organization this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Gonna combine sabermetrics and scouting(wow, there's an idea)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah because working the cash register at McDonalds is the same as being the CEO. HE HAD EXPERIENCE AT MCDONALDS!!! Oh and Joe Torre never had coaching experience. But lets all pretend that no one has ever been a manager without previous experience before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) Big difference in attitude between Fisk and Ventura. But yeah, I guess it could have been him, I'm done pretending to know what this organization is thinking. Where do you stand on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:07 PM) Exactly. I love how people are popping up with the tweets from various Chicago newsmen saying how they like the move, when these are the same guys who wouldn't say a negative thing about Ozzie until it was absolutely clear that he wasn't coming back. As I said, I wasn't endorsing anything, I was just posting reactions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:12 PM) Gonna combine sabermetrics and scouting(wow, there's an idea)! I guess that's better than what Ozzie did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:13 PM) Yeah because working the cash register at McDonalds is the same as being the CEO. HE HAD EXPERIENCE AT MCDONALDS!!! Oh and Joe Torre never had coaching experience. But lets all pretend that no one has ever been a manager without previous experience before. You said he was a player-manager. Either way, that was 35 years ago. Come up with a relatively recent example of a manager who hadn't coached or managed at some level before becoming the manager of a major league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:14 PM) As I said, I wasn't endorsing anything, I was just posting reactions. Oh, I know. I'm just putting that out there, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:12 PM) Gonna combine sabermetrics and scouting(wow, there's an idea)! I don't like it...he should combine making moves based off of the back of baseball cards as well as his gut! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 So it's pretty obvious that the Teahen trade mid-season was to open up #23 again.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedge Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 KW said Ventura has a bench coach in mind. Sox will have to seek permission to talk to whoever it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cali Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Wedge @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:21 PM) KW said Ventura has a bench coach in mind. Sox will have to seek permission to talk to whoever it is. I like that. Means it won't be all organizational people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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