bmags Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Kenny acted like he's been honed in on Robin for a while, Robin basically sounds like he asked him five minutes and robin said "f*** it, sure." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This actually reminds me of when the D-Backs hired A.J. Hinch out of the blue, because he seemed like he knew a lot about baseball from his playing days, that worked out great. Right? RIGHT? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Fireworks Man Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Cali @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) God, neither Kenny and Robin sound confident at all right now. There's something more going on here... I just got that feeling. This can't be what either party wanted and it shows... Yep. This is certainly not the typical New Manager Introduction press conference. Very uninspiring. He comes across as a real nice guy who took the job because he was asked and isn't sure if he's really ready but he's going to do his very best. Edited October 6, 2011 by South Side Fireworks Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:14 PM) You said he was a player-manager. Either way, that was 35 years ago. Come up with a relatively recent example of a manager who hadn't coached or managed at some level before becoming the manager of a major league team. I would argue that 1 to 2 years of being a 1st base coach or 3rd base coach isn't exactly a ton of experience. So I'd say Ozzie had his early successes despite limited coaching, Girardi the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThunderBolt Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:11 PM) Absolutely. Hey, we've all been saying for years it's not too difficult to out-manage Ozzie. Someone with zero experience sure fits the bill. Apparently, having any coaching/managing experience is never too big an issue for Reinsdorf teams. I mean, look at how well it worked out with... I was just about to say this. This is our Vinny Del Negro move, this is us stalling for time. We're going to tread water for a couple of years before we decide to actually spend money again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:43 PM) This actually reminds me of when the D-Backs hired A.J. Hinch out of the blue, because he seemed like he knew a lot about baseball from his playing days, that worked out great. Right? RIGHT? Well he & Kirk Gibson had nearly the same record in 2010 with the same team and look at Gibson now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:24 PM) Milkman, Honestly I dont know. I dont keep a running tally of who did what in their previous coaching careers. Dave Martinez, Sandy Alomar and Robin Ventura, never managed a MLB team. If you want to say that being a bench coach, 3b coach, whatever is equivalent experience to managing, that is your call. All I know is that (imo) Ventura is going to be a revelation compared to Ozzie. And win lose or draw, its going to be the players, not the manager who ultimately decide the success of a team. This is not the NBA/NFL where a Head Coach can significantly change the dynamic of a team. They can significicantly change the dynamic of the lockeroom though and Ozzie did that in a very negative way the past couple years, imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:45 PM) I would argue that 1 to 2 years of being a 1st base coach or 3rd base coach isn't exactly a ton of experience. So I'd say Ozzie had his early successes despite limited coaching, Girardi the same. Honestly, what good would that even do you as a manager? I would think that experience would help you become a better base coach, but other than that, what? Those are just bang-bang decision-making skills you have to hone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthSideTeacher Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (southsideirish71 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) SouthPaw is quiet. Southpaw also never managed a team. Maybe we should of interviewed Southpaw. LOL. I don't hate this. Also, props for keeping things interesting... I love a good surprise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:32 PM) Agreed. That is a given. It was kind of like what the Sox initially did with Ozzie when they kept Nossek on board to provide him with support and even talked about trying to get an ex manager on board. Robin has a lot of friends so I'm very curious who this bench coach they've targeted is and whether that team will give the Sox permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:35 PM) When asked if he's talked to Frank Thomas, he said ,"No." Then says he's trusting the people around him to put the best possible pieces together. I don't like that. The mgr should have some say in his decisions and hires. From the sounds of some quotes I thought Robin had pretty much picked his bench coach out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:49 PM) I don't like that. The mgr should have some say in his decisions and hires. From the sounds of some quotes I thought Robin had pretty much picked his bench coach out. Kenny did say they were going to ask permission to ask for a bench coach that Robin wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chisoxfn Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) Honestly, what good would that even do you as a manager? I would think that experience would help you become a better base coach, but other than that, what? Those are just bang-bang decision-making skills you have to hone. Exactly. I think being a bench coach is where the true experience is gained. But even than, is 1 or 2 or even 3 years really that much of an edge over someone who had 16 years in an MLB clubhouse, albeit, limited to being a player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (BigSqwert @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:50 PM) Translation: "I was looking for a cheap yes man" The old 60's song.."i"m your puppet" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreatScott82 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Wow. Jerry Manuel part 2? Loved Robin as a player, but the dude barely has coaching experience Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 This move surprised the hell out of me. But, I don't hate it. I'm a relatively new Sox fan (1999), so I don't know a lot about Ventura. If he surrounds himself with the right people, this could be a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Chisox, I agree that a managers attitude can negatively impact a team. I just dont believe Ventura has that type of attitude. Hes far more even keeled than Ozzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 I wonder if his bench coach wish is already a bench coach somewhere else? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:49 PM) Kenny did say they were going to ask permission to ask for a bench coach that Robin wanted. NYY Manager & Coaches # Name Position 28 Joe Girardi Manager 54 Kevin Long Batting Coach 58 Larry Rothschild Pitching Coach 50 Mick Kelleher First Base Coach 59 Rob Thomson Third Base Coach 56 Tony Pena Bench Coach 57 Mike Harkey Bullpen Coach 88 Roman Rodriguez Bullpen Catcher Detroit Tigers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Jim Leyland Manager 8 Lloyd McClendon Batting Coach 51 Jeff Jones Pitching Coach 61 Tom Brookens First Base Coach 22 Gene Lamont Third Base Coach 59 Mike Rojas Bullpen Coach 99 Scott Pickens Bullpen Catcher 17 Rafael Belliard Coach AZ Diamonbacks Manager & Coaches # Name Position 23 Kirk Gibson Manager 25 Don Baylor Batting Coach 50 Charles Nagy Pitching Coach 7 Eric Young First Base Coach 9 Matt Williams Third Base Coach 3 Alan Trammell Bench Coach 53 Glenn Sherlock Bullpen Coach 80 Wilson Valera Major League Coach 82 Jeff Motuzas Bullpen Catcher Jerry Krause Special assistant Brewers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Ron Roenicke Manager 29 Dale Sveum Batting Coach 39 Rick Kranitz Pitching Coach 35 Garth Iorg First Base Coach 6 Ed Sedar Third Base Coach 36 Jerry Narron Bench Coach 53 Stan Kyles Bullpen Coach 55 Marcus Hanel Bullpen Catcher 31 John Shelby Coach Phillies Manager & Coaches # Name Position 41 Charlie Manuel Manager 18 Greg Gross Batting Coach 30 Rich Dubee Pitching Coach 2 Sam Perlozzo First Base Coach 12 Juan Samuel Third Base Coach 22 Pete Mackanin Bench Coach 17 Mick Billmeyer Bullpen Coach 81 Jesus Tiamo Bullpen Catcher Get ready for the svelt Gene Lamont to be the bench coach, fellas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) Chisox, I agree that a managers attitude can negatively impact a team. I just dont believe Ventura has that type of attitude. Hes far more even keeled than Ozzie. Sam Kinnison was more even keeled than Ozzie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Yeah I was thinking maybe Pena....but who knows Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hogan873 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Is the Yankees' Tony Pena the former catcher from the Pirates? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:56 PM) NYY Manager & Coaches # Name Position 28 Joe Girardi Manager 54 Kevin Long Batting Coach 58 Larry Rothschild Pitching Coach 50 Mick Kelleher First Base Coach 59 Rob Thomson Third Base Coach 56 Tony Pena Bench Coach 57 Mike Harkey Bullpen Coach 88 Roman Rodriguez Bullpen Catcher Detroit Tigers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Jim Leyland Manager 8 Lloyd McClendon Batting Coach 51 Jeff Jones Pitching Coach 61 Tom Brookens First Base Coach 22 Gene Lamont Third Base Coach 59 Mike Rojas Bullpen Coach 99 Scott Pickens Bullpen Catcher 17 Rafael Belliard Coach AZ Diamonbacks Manager & Coaches # Name Position 23 Kirk Gibson Manager 25 Don Baylor Batting Coach 50 Charles Nagy Pitching Coach 7 Eric Young First Base Coach 9 Matt Williams Third Base Coach 3 Alan Trammell Bench Coach 53 Glenn Sherlock Bullpen Coach 80 Wilson Valera Major League Coach 82 Jeff Motuzas Bullpen Catcher Jerry Krause Special assistant Brewers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Ron Roenicke Manager 29 Dale Sveum Batting Coach 39 Rick Kranitz Pitching Coach 35 Garth Iorg First Base Coach 6 Ed Sedar Third Base Coach 36 Jerry Narron Bench Coach 53 Stan Kyles Bullpen Coach 55 Marcus Hanel Bullpen Catcher 31 John Shelby Coach Phillies Manager & Coaches # Name Position 41 Charlie Manuel Manager 18 Greg Gross Batting Coach 30 Rich Dubee Pitching Coach 2 Sam Perlozzo First Base Coach 12 Juan Samuel Third Base Coach 22 Pete Mackanin Bench Coach 17 Mick Billmeyer Bullpen Coach 81 Jesus Tiamo Bullpen Catcher Get ready for the svelt Gene Lamont to be the bench coach, fellas. great post shack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 Why does everyone think Ventura is going to be a yes man? To the best of my knowledge the guy has refused every coaching job hes been offered, wouldtn that suggest hed only take the job if he was allowed to do what he wants? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcgrad70 Posted October 6, 2011 Share Posted October 6, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:16 PM) For the record, this type of move has JR written all over it... Jerry must figure 12/21/12 is the end anyway and he's gonna take it with him Edited October 6, 2011 by mcgrad70 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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