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Robin Ventura Named White Sox Manager


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QUOTE (Cali @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:41 PM)
God, neither Kenny and Robin sound confident at all right now. There's something more going on here... I just got that feeling. This can't be what either party wanted and it shows...

Yep. This is certainly not the typical New Manager Introduction press conference. Very uninspiring. He comes across as a real nice guy who took the job because he was asked and isn't sure if he's really ready but he's going to do his very best.

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QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:14 PM)
You said he was a player-manager. Either way, that was 35 years ago. Come up with a relatively recent example of a manager who hadn't coached or managed at some level before becoming the manager of a major league team.

I would argue that 1 to 2 years of being a 1st base coach or 3rd base coach isn't exactly a ton of experience. So I'd say Ozzie had his early successes despite limited coaching, Girardi the same.

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QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:11 PM)
Absolutely.

 

Hey, we've all been saying for years it's not too difficult to out-manage Ozzie. Someone with zero experience sure fits the bill. Apparently, having any coaching/managing experience is never too big an issue for Reinsdorf teams.

 

I mean, look at how well it worked out with...

 

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I was just about to say this. This is our Vinny Del Negro move, this is us stalling for time. We're going to tread water for a couple of years before we decide to actually spend money again.

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QUOTE (Thunderbolt @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:43 PM)
This actually reminds me of when the D-Backs hired A.J. Hinch out of the blue, because he seemed like he knew a lot about baseball from his playing days, that worked out great. Right? RIGHT?

 

Well he & Kirk Gibson had nearly the same record in 2010 with the same team and look at Gibson now?

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:24 PM)
Milkman,

 

Honestly I dont know. I dont keep a running tally of who did what in their previous coaching careers. Dave Martinez, Sandy Alomar and Robin Ventura, never managed a MLB team. If you want to say that being a bench coach, 3b coach, whatever is equivalent experience to managing, that is your call.

 

All I know is that (imo) Ventura is going to be a revelation compared to Ozzie. And win lose or draw, its going to be the players, not the manager who ultimately decide the success of a team. This is not the NBA/NFL where a Head Coach can significantly change the dynamic of a team.

They can significicantly change the dynamic of the lockeroom though and Ozzie did that in a very negative way the past couple years, imo.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:45 PM)
I would argue that 1 to 2 years of being a 1st base coach or 3rd base coach isn't exactly a ton of experience. So I'd say Ozzie had his early successes despite limited coaching, Girardi the same.

Honestly, what good would that even do you as a manager? I would think that experience would help you become a better base coach, but other than that, what? Those are just bang-bang decision-making skills you have to hone.

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QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:32 PM)
Agreed.

That is a given. It was kind of like what the Sox initially did with Ozzie when they kept Nossek on board to provide him with support and even talked about trying to get an ex manager on board. Robin has a lot of friends so I'm very curious who this bench coach they've targeted is and whether that team will give the Sox permission.

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QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:35 PM)
When asked if he's talked to Frank Thomas, he said ,"No." Then says he's trusting the people around him to put the best possible pieces together.

I don't like that. The mgr should have some say in his decisions and hires. From the sounds of some quotes I thought Robin had pretty much picked his bench coach out.

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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:49 PM)
I don't like that. The mgr should have some say in his decisions and hires. From the sounds of some quotes I thought Robin had pretty much picked his bench coach out.

 

Kenny did say they were going to ask permission to ask for a bench coach that Robin wanted.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 03:47 PM)
Honestly, what good would that even do you as a manager? I would think that experience would help you become a better base coach, but other than that, what? Those are just bang-bang decision-making skills you have to hone.

Exactly. I think being a bench coach is where the true experience is gained. But even than, is 1 or 2 or even 3 years really that much of an edge over someone who had 16 years in an MLB clubhouse, albeit, limited to being a player?

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QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:49 PM)
Kenny did say they were going to ask permission to ask for a bench coach that Robin wanted.

NYY

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

28 Joe Girardi Manager

54 Kevin Long Batting Coach

58 Larry Rothschild Pitching Coach

50 Mick Kelleher First Base Coach

59 Rob Thomson Third Base Coach

56 Tony Pena Bench Coach

57 Mike Harkey Bullpen Coach

88 Roman Rodriguez Bullpen Catcher

 

Detroit Tigers

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

10 Jim Leyland Manager

8 Lloyd McClendon Batting Coach

51 Jeff Jones Pitching Coach

61 Tom Brookens First Base Coach

22 Gene Lamont Third Base Coach

59 Mike Rojas Bullpen Coach

99 Scott Pickens Bullpen Catcher

17 Rafael Belliard Coach

 

AZ Diamonbacks

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

23 Kirk Gibson Manager

25 Don Baylor Batting Coach

50 Charles Nagy Pitching Coach

7 Eric Young First Base Coach

9 Matt Williams Third Base Coach

3 Alan Trammell Bench Coach

53 Glenn Sherlock Bullpen Coach

80 Wilson Valera Major League Coach

82 Jeff Motuzas Bullpen Catcher

Jerry Krause Special assistant :)

 

Brewers

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

10 Ron Roenicke Manager

29 Dale Sveum Batting Coach

39 Rick Kranitz Pitching Coach

35 Garth Iorg First Base Coach

6 Ed Sedar Third Base Coach

36 Jerry Narron Bench Coach

53 Stan Kyles Bullpen Coach

55 Marcus Hanel Bullpen Catcher

31 John Shelby Coach

 

Phillies

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

41 Charlie Manuel Manager

18 Greg Gross Batting Coach

30 Rich Dubee Pitching Coach

2 Sam Perlozzo First Base Coach

12 Juan Samuel Third Base Coach

22 Pete Mackanin Bench Coach

17 Mick Billmeyer Bullpen Coach

81 Jesus Tiamo Bullpen Catcher

 

Get ready for the svelt Gene Lamont to be the bench coach, fellas.

 

 

 

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QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:55 PM)
Chisox,

 

I agree that a managers attitude can negatively impact a team. I just dont believe Ventura has that type of attitude. Hes far more even keeled than Ozzie.

Sam Kinnison was more even keeled than Ozzie.

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QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:56 PM)
NYY

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

28 Joe Girardi Manager

54 Kevin Long Batting Coach

58 Larry Rothschild Pitching Coach

50 Mick Kelleher First Base Coach

59 Rob Thomson Third Base Coach

56 Tony Pena Bench Coach

57 Mike Harkey Bullpen Coach

88 Roman Rodriguez Bullpen Catcher

 

Detroit Tigers

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

10 Jim Leyland Manager

8 Lloyd McClendon Batting Coach

51 Jeff Jones Pitching Coach

61 Tom Brookens First Base Coach

22 Gene Lamont Third Base Coach

59 Mike Rojas Bullpen Coach

99 Scott Pickens Bullpen Catcher

17 Rafael Belliard Coach

 

AZ Diamonbacks

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

23 Kirk Gibson Manager

25 Don Baylor Batting Coach

50 Charles Nagy Pitching Coach

7 Eric Young First Base Coach

9 Matt Williams Third Base Coach

3 Alan Trammell Bench Coach

53 Glenn Sherlock Bullpen Coach

80 Wilson Valera Major League Coach

82 Jeff Motuzas Bullpen Catcher

Jerry Krause Special assistant :)

 

Brewers

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

10 Ron Roenicke Manager

29 Dale Sveum Batting Coach

39 Rick Kranitz Pitching Coach

35 Garth Iorg First Base Coach

6 Ed Sedar Third Base Coach

36 Jerry Narron Bench Coach

53 Stan Kyles Bullpen Coach

55 Marcus Hanel Bullpen Catcher

31 John Shelby Coach

 

Phillies

Manager & Coaches

# Name Position

41 Charlie Manuel Manager

18 Greg Gross Batting Coach

30 Rich Dubee Pitching Coach

2 Sam Perlozzo First Base Coach

12 Juan Samuel Third Base Coach

22 Pete Mackanin Bench Coach

17 Mick Billmeyer Bullpen Coach

81 Jesus Tiamo Bullpen Catcher

 

Get ready for the svelt Gene Lamont to be the bench coach, fellas.

 

great post shack

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