Balta1701 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 08:52 AM) This is the most important part. Right now I am pissed beyond all belief. I have been this mad with the organization twice. Once with the Brandon Mccarthy deal, and once when they let Robin walk away by offering a joke of a contract. Maybe he will turn out OK, but if you really want Ventura to manage, make him the bench coach for a few years next to someone with at least some coaching experience. Or let him manage in the minors. Don't make him the manager from day one. This is just awful. You remember how much of the season we spent complaining about the seeming complete lack of professionalism coming from the front office? The lack of respect for the people watching the games, paying their bills, etc.? I thought we'd gotten rid of most of that when we got rid of Ozzie...but this move reeks of the same ethos. I feel like this is a giant middle finger at me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 05:56 PM) NYY Manager & Coaches # Name Position 28 Joe Girardi Manager 54 Kevin Long Batting Coach 58 Larry Rothschild Pitching Coach 50 Mick Kelleher First Base Coach 59 Rob Thomson Third Base Coach 56 Tony Pena Bench Coach 57 Mike Harkey Bullpen Coach 88 Roman Rodriguez Bullpen Catcher Detroit Tigers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Jim Leyland Manager 8 Lloyd McClendon Batting Coach 51 Jeff Jones Pitching Coach 61 Tom Brookens First Base Coach 22 Gene Lamont Third Base Coach 59 Mike Rojas Bullpen Coach 99 Scott Pickens Bullpen Catcher 17 Rafael Belliard Coach AZ Diamonbacks Manager & Coaches # Name Position 23 Kirk Gibson Manager 25 Don Baylor Batting Coach 50 Charles Nagy Pitching Coach 7 Eric Young First Base Coach 9 Matt Williams Third Base Coach 3 Alan Trammell Bench Coach 53 Glenn Sherlock Bullpen Coach 80 Wilson Valera Major League Coach 82 Jeff Motuzas Bullpen Catcher Jerry Krause Special assistant Brewers Manager & Coaches # Name Position 10 Ron Roenicke Manager 29 Dale Sveum Batting Coach 39 Rick Kranitz Pitching Coach 35 Garth Iorg First Base Coach 6 Ed Sedar Third Base Coach 36 Jerry Narron Bench Coach 53 Stan Kyles Bullpen Coach 55 Marcus Hanel Bullpen Catcher 31 John Shelby Coach Phillies Manager & Coaches # Name Position 41 Charlie Manuel Manager 18 Greg Gross Batting Coach 30 Rich Dubee Pitching Coach 2 Sam Perlozzo First Base Coach 12 Juan Samuel Third Base Coach 22 Pete Mackanin Bench Coach 17 Mick Billmeyer Bullpen Coach 81 Jesus Tiamo Bullpen Catcher Get ready for the svelt Gene Lamont to be the bench coach, fellas. I could get with Pena or Lamont as a bench coach. Those guys have years of managerial experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:03 PM) Why does everyone think Ventura is going to be a yes man? To the best of my knowledge the guy has refused every coaching job hes been offered, wouldtn that suggest hed only take the job if he was allowed to do what he wants? Yeah I don't think Robin will be a pushover. He might not scream and rant in public, but that doesn't mean he will stand quietly into the night. I know for a fact he was a presence in the locker room during his playing days, despite his on the field demeanor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (SouthSideTeacher @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:07 PM) AGREED. Initially, I thought the hire was a decent move. After the first 2 minutes of Robin's portion of the call I thought "Oh... wait a sec...." A good manager isn't worried about the impression you have of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 06:16 PM) So would the Sox need permission to speak to a special assignment scout? I assume so since he's likely under some sort of contract. Jim Riggleman was Jim Tracy's bench coach in 2003 and 2004 when Robin played for the Dodgers. He would be my guess. I'd be OK with that too. At least having an ex-manager on the bench would balance things out a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 07:58 AM) I could get with Pena or Lamont as a bench coach. Those guys have years of managerial experience. Lamont makes perfect sense, because he's a former manager with ties to the Sox & Robin. Plus he's currently not a bench coach, which means his current team is much more likely to grant permission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:28 PM) According to his Wikipedia page, Nossek was a member of the White Sox organization until 2003. And if I recall correctly, he left during the season. He wasn't on the bench for Guillen. He was for a short period of time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:42 PM) The way to look at this is .... 1) KW has zero control over who the manager is... OR 2) KW is risking his GM career with this move because of the obvious risks of hiring a manager (someone who it will be incredibly embarassing to fire, especially after the way he left the organization the first time)... OR 3) KW already knows he's going to the executive upstairs position in 2013 or 2014. 4) They know the team is going to suck for a few years, so why pay a good manager a lot of money to come in here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (SoxFan1 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 07:58 PM) And before anyone says anything, we DO NOT want The Big Hurt as our hitting coach. Trust me. Please no. Remember this was a guy who was himself completely uncoachable. He had to have his own hitting coach flown in for him personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 Hawk is making his thoughts known at the moment on the Score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:16 PM) Question #2, which direction will Cowley take off in with Ventura? Or will he just mysteriously slink out of town like Mariotti... He will kill Robin. It doesn't matter who replaced Ozzie, he is going to be a complete ass to him. It is all he has left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leonard Zelig Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Swingandalongonetoleft @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) Hawk is making his thoughts known at the moment on the Score. Hawk likes the move!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:27 PM) I sure hope Ventura doesn't try to pull a pitcher and signal for a lefty instead of a righty...oops! Or call for a ghost reliever... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 08:40 PM) Cowley saying that Cooper is a problem. He says Cooper being around is why any big name would say no to the Sox. What happened to Daryl Boston, or the Sun Times breaking the story of Dave Martinez, who didn't even interview? Of course, Oney re tweeted it. I read either Laker or Manto as the hitting coach and they are seeking permission from another team to bring in a bench coach. Supposedly the entire staff should be in place Tuesday. He is full of s***. Cooper was trying to get Francona hired, so there goes that theory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) You are right Dick. The reality is Ventura has been on Chairman Reinsdorf's managerial short list since the day he retired. He knows exactly what he has in Ventura. I don't doubt this at all. They have been trying to get him back into the organization for a decade now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (ptatc @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:04 PM) Or pull a pitcher without one having warmed up. Ventura was actually the person who gave Bevington the solution to that one. They brought in a cold pitcher to intentionally walk a guy thus not stressing his arm, while they had another warm up in the pen. Heh. I didn't know that. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:06 PM) Layoff the booze. Players could give a s*** about earning your stripes as a manager. What they most often care about is whether or not you played the game. I am sure that players respect ex-player more than non-players. Hell just about any job I have ever dealt with that is the truth. If you bring in outside management, people resent them because they have no idea about the situation the regular employees are in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 08:10 AM) Hawk likes the move!!! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Wedge @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:10 PM) Joe Cowley claiming this decision was made months ago. Says he'll have his timeline in tomorrow's column. Sure. And guess who had no clue about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swingandalongonetoleft Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 07:10 AM) Hawk likes the move!!! "One of the best moves Kenny has ever made. Robin is perfect for it." The bench coach will be someone who in his opinion "is good." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:11 PM) Ventura said they brought this up to him last week. I wonder if Cowley will call him a liar. Funny Joe wrote months ago Daryl Boston would be the replacement, then a couple days ago said it would be Dave Martinez, now he says its been Ventura for months and he'll have a timeline. He's a joke. Exactly. And if he knew it, he would have published it to try to either save Ozzie, or screw Kenny over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Wanne @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 09:47 PM) One thing he did say...which I like...but remains to be seen and is a stark contrast: He did practice this in the locker room when he played. We'll see what happens on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 10:35 PM) Cowley on Ventura... and how Cooper became Judas. Now that he can't write about baseball, he is going to become a gossip columnist apparently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 11:29 PM) LOL, could this be any more obvious to anyone? -Ozzie Jr. -Ozzie or Cora (probably Ozzie) -Oney Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 7, 2011 Share Posted October 7, 2011 QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 7, 2011 -> 02:46 AM) I just read all the Trib articles and Lamont's quotes and this is a scary hire. Yes I believe Cowley. If he's wrong, he's putting his job on the line. What Cooper did is really sleazy. Nobody likes a backstabber. It's WRONG. If this was the 1950s, Ozzie would beat his ass. But nowadays he'll spend time in prison for smashing Coop a good one in the nose. (I'm assuming the article is true; if not, my bad). He didn't put his job on the line. The Sun Times is a tabloid. They love this kind of s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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