greg775 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 QUOTE (Cali @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) Haha man I was pissed.... I still stand by the fact that I think they should have interviewed more people before deciding on Ventura. He's worked out amazingly, but still a horrible hiring process that confused and angered the fanbase. He's proven you need no experience at all. Sandberg should be pissed at teams for not hiring him as well. I heard Sandberg is not as sharp or smart as Robin, though, from somebody who knows both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 Hah, Sqwert, Balta, Milk... Spare yourselves and don't go back and read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 05:13 PM) Who? I don't remember that much outrage. Most people wanted somebody with experience, but I sure didn't want some of the coaches whose names were tossed out there like martinez and Alomar. If Sox weren't going to go with a guy like Francona, Robin was as good as anybody. It did seem like Robin was going to be a Jacque Vaughn type hire, though. A guy to manage the team through rebuilding. The Sox didn't go that way fortunately, instead keeping most of the main players. Of course nobody wanted Dunn, Rios or Peavy in trades. There was a ton of outrage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 (edited) LOL I will erase this, there's some good ones in the thread. We had a poster say 'anyone who buys a ticket or goes to the game for this manager is a moron' LOLOLOL. Edited August 1, 2012 by justBLAZE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted August 1, 2012 Share Posted August 1, 2012 As sox fans we were all angry at the organization at the time of this thread but the overreaction here was pretty comical. I also like bmags 1st post in this thread, I obviously know what he was referring to but it's funny how that has worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 LOL, I love reading the first few pages of this thread. Now I hear talks that Robin Ventura is a front runner for manager of the year? Would be funny if he won. We should archive this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nitetrain8601 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I don't think there was a ton of outrage at the hire, but moreso at the hiring process. Honestly, it was a very awful awful process that no one can defend. KW lucked out. And I'm a huge KW fan, but just terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Lmao sqwert, you were freaking out like a teenager stood up on prom night Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScottyDo Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (nitetrain8601 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 08:04 PM) I don't think there was a ton of outrage at the hire, but moreso at the hiring process. Honestly, it was a very awful awful process that no one can defend. KW lucked out. And I'm a huge KW fan, but just terrible. Agree that it's a bad hiring process. Disagree with the bolded. There was probably a fair amount of character evaluation that led KW to believe that Ventura was a good clubhouse fit, and probably a lot of statistical analysis to show that the rest of a manager's job is relatively unimportant. That's not luck, that's good work leading up to the interviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (ScottyDo @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 06:26 PM) Agree that it's a bad hiring process. Disagree with the bolded. There was probably a fair amount of character evaluation that led KW to believe that Ventura was a good clubhouse fit, and probably a lot of statistical analysis to show that the rest of a manager's job is relatively unimportant. That's not luck, that's good work leading up to the interviews. And the thing is, no one else hired those guys either...there very well could be something we don't know that is known in industry circles...or it could just have not been their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:06 PM) Man I really cant believe that people are negative on this move. Most people have assumed that Robin would be a hot coaching option as soon as he decided that he wanted to coach. The fact that the Sox were actually able to convince him to coach is pretty impressive. Im not sure what experience has to do with coaching baseball. This isnt football where you call plays, its baseball and Im pretty sure that I could program a computer to make better decisions than Ozzie. "IF A stats against LHP > B stats against LHP replace B with A." Robin is exactly the opposite of Ozzie, which is exactly what this team needs. This is one of the few hires that Id actually be interested in. It really isnt difficult to be a baseball manager, and its almost impossible to be worse than Ozzie "I make the line ups" Guillen. I could go back and read this thread all day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RZZZA Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Soxbadger the voice of reason. Post #63 Man I really cant believe that people are negative on this move. Most people have assumed that Robin would be a hot coaching option as soon as he decided that he wanted to coach. The fact that the Sox were actually able to convince him to coach is pretty impressive. Im not sure what experience has to do with coaching baseball. This isnt football where you call plays, its baseball and Im pretty sure that I could program a computer to make better decisions than Ozzie. "IF A stats against LHP > B stats against LHP replace B with A." Robin is exactly the opposite of Ozzie, which is exactly what this team needs. This is one of the few hires that Id actually be interested in. It really isnt difficult to be a baseball manager, and its almost impossible to be worse than Ozzie "I make the line ups" Guillen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:13 PM) Steve, NBA and MLB are apples and oranges. Im pretty sure that Robin can read stat sheets and make better decisions than Ozzie. Im pretty sure that in a year or 2 people are going to wonder why they ever questioned Robin. The guy is legit, he just never wanted to be a coach before, otherwise hed have a ton of useless experience. This was better though. I had to fight a lot of people in this thread. I really believed in Ventura and even I have to admit I did not expect this much of a turnaround. In my head I felt that Ozzie was costing the Sox about 5-10 games a season, so I figured if Ventura was just neutral the Sox would do a lot better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 07:28 PM) Hah, Sqwert, Balta, Milk... Spare yourselves and don't go back and read... I will...take this advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheHammer Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 This isn't as bad as 2005 when people wanted Konerko off the team midseason because he was selfish and only cared about hitting homeruns. I remember one reaction by I think a poster called soxfan1 or something where konerko popped out and he posted GET OFF MY TEAM. Its one of those odd things where I know I'll never forget reading that and being flabbergasted. At least with Ventura you can understand why people would be upset over hiring some guy with no experience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 Tough on some posters here, but really who knew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melissa1334 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I wasnt going to read all the pages, just read the first few, but sqwerts posts are funny looking back at them now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (TheHammer @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 01:40 AM) This isn't as bad as 2005 when people wanted Konerko off the team midseason because he was selfish and only cared about hitting homeruns. I remember one reaction by I think a poster called soxfan1 or something where konerko popped out and he posted GET OFF MY TEAM. Its one of those odd things where I know I'll never forget reading that and being flabbergasted. At least with Ventura you can understand why people would be upset over hiring some guy with no experience. Ugh. I remember when people turned on Paulie. It made me ill. Even moreso than the fans' rips of some of my faves: Jenks, Wise, Pods, Pierre, Dye. Edited August 2, 2012 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nokona Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Nokona @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:32 PM) Do you people ever not act like a bunch of children? Robin hasn't left the game, he's been doing various announcing jobs all over the place, most prominently at the CWS. He's very intelligent, very personable, and was a great ball player. Calm the f*** down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Kenny Hates Prospects @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 04:49 PM) People are freaking out because they're afraid Robin might bunt in the wrong situation, pull a pitcher too late, etc. Well if those were the main problems we had last year then we wouldn't have finished where we did. And we ALL know that Davey Martinez would have never made a bad move, or at least if he did, he wouldn't get criticized much at all over the course of a season because he's so smart and Maddon and Rays way and fap fap *splurt*.... ATM the players don't seem to give a s*** and the last manager was a distraction that made things even worse. Players that needed to play weren't even put in the lineup. Robin is as good a bet as anyone to remedy those areas, and if he does that, I really don't care if he's a poor in-game manager at first because we'll still end up being a much better team than we've been. holy s*** this guy is f***ing brilliant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 02:16 AM) holy s*** this guy is f***ing brilliant Is that you? What happened to KHP ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 07:40 PM) I could go back and read this thread all day Soxtalk last summer through fall was kinda like how Petsmart is sometimes with all those yappy little dogs everywhere angrily barking at nothing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Aug 2, 2012 -> 02:19 AM) Is that you? What happened to KHP ? I think he vanished forever, thank god. Man that guy was annoying! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Ultimate Champion Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 QUOTE (Marty34 @ Aug 1, 2012 -> 09:36 PM) Tough on some posters here, but really who knew? When you have the worst manager in baseball it's kind of hard not to improve. That's like saying "who knew Youkilis would be better than Morel/Hudson?" To quote the great Farmio, "Really?!" Yeah. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickofypres Posted August 2, 2012 Share Posted August 2, 2012 I remember, not sure if on here or elsewhere, that I really wanted Francona and then Bobby Valentine as a consolation prize. Remember reading twitter at the college parking lot and seeing Robin got the nod, and being all "what the f*ck, dude!?". Robin has his faults, yes, but he keeps the place positive, the "give 'em hell" White Sox supposedly never concede defeat or let a blown game mentally disable them, which is awesome. Way to early to tell for the long term, but so far Robin has been a great hire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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