macsandz Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 02:18 PM) Those are three players he specifically worked with heavily. Flowers swing is totally different than when he was brought into the org. Becks should be next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marty34 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 @CST_soxvan Daryl Van Schouwen Manto reportedly favorite over Laker to succeed greg walker as hitting coach 3 minutes ago via txt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 12:59 PM) Sharing an agent years ago adds alot in game tactics. No but if you share agents you sometimes become more familiar with each other. From everything I have read, Parent seems like a pretty solid choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 02:07 PM) death knell NAIL to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantl916 Posted October 10, 2011 Share Posted October 10, 2011 So just to summarize at this point: Manager: Ventura Bench: Parent Pitting: Coop Hitting: Manto/Laker (Manto favored) 1st: Baines 3rd: McEwing Correct ya? We're pretty much done after the hitting coach is decided? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klaus kinski Posted October 11, 2011 Author Share Posted October 11, 2011 When we go cheap we are All In Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (Fantl916 @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) So just to summarize at this point: Manager: Ventura Bench: Parent Pitting: Coop Hitting: Manto/Laker (Manto favored) 1st: Baines 3rd: McEwing Correct ya? We're pretty much done after the hitting coach is decided? Seems like it pal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knightni Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 They never said that Parent was the bench coach for sure. Just that he was getting a coaching job. I bet that they're double-checking to make sure that Harold doesn't want the bench coach job again - since he's already had the job with Ozzie in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justBLAZE Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 09:36 PM) They never said that Parent was the bench coach for sure. Just that he was getting a coaching job. I bet that they're double-checking to make sure that Harold doesn't want the bench coach job again - since he's already had the job with Ozzie in the past. Well they have a story up on the official website, albeit saying NOT CONFIRMED, but for me is as good as done deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPN366 Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 12:51 PM) The hitting coaches are great ideas IMO. Laker has done great work with the young hitters that are now on the MLB roster. Crazy as he was a mediocre, light hitting back up catcher as a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 10:41 PM) Well they have a story up on the official website, albeit saying NOT CONFIRMED, but for me is as good as done deal. It is a done deal and whoopie s*** get your tickets now! BLAH! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 10:52 AM) The Chicago White Sox received permission from Philadelphia to talk to Double-A Reading manager Mark Parent about their vacant bench coach position, a Phillies source confirmed Monday morning. Parent, 50, managed Reading to a 74-68 record in 2011. He and new Sox manager Robin Ventura were represented by John Boggs during their playing days. "That's the connection," the source said. "Mark will be good." He gets a chance to be the bench coach because they had the same agent when they played! The only thing that could've somewhat saved the hiring of Ventura in my book would have been if they hired a veteran bench coach that's been around forever. Instead, they hired a guy who managed minor league ball for 2 years and before that was managing in the Golden Baseball League (whatever the f*** that is). The White Sox are really wowing the baseball world. Edited October 11, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (Soxfest @ Oct 10, 2011 -> 12:39 PM) Very underwhelming choices to say the very least. The hitting coaches mentioned not much better. The loyalty factor of this organization is a death nail. I think the potential hitting coaches are deserving. I disagree with you there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 I hope the question is asked today, why Mark Parent and not a former major league manager or former experienced major league bench coach? I mean, yeah, all of these moves may work out in a few years. But on the surface, these coaching staff moves are weird made by a GM that should have been out at season's end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:16 AM) I think the potential hitting coaches are deserving. I disagree with you there. If Robin is making the coaching choices, I guess I will have to give him the benefit of the doubt. If JR and KW are picking the staff for Robin, I am not ok with it and it reaks of cheapness. Edited October 11, 2011 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (JPN366 @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 04:43 AM) Crazy as he was a mediocre, light hitting back up catcher as a player. I doubt there's any correlation between great hitting coaches and how successful they were as players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 11, 2011 Share Posted October 11, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) I doubt there's any correlation between great hitting coaches and how successful they were as players. At this point, it becomes how well you can analyze a hitter's individual strengths and weaknesses, and give him individual mechanics necessary to put him in the best possible position to succeed. There aren't a whole lot more significant things to be discovered in terms of hitting mechanics, but rather, little trends that help out which are adjustments to what pitchers are currently doing. It's an issue of how well you analyze and teach and work individually with each hitter to bring out the best possible manifestation of their talent. It may actually be worse for someone who was an outstanding hitter to be a coach, because sometimes when you are supremely talented you simply don't have to do a whole lot other than get out of your own way in order to succeed. When such a person becomes a coach of others, it is often difficult for them to understand why this isn't the case for them as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toasty Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:30 PM) It may actually be worse for someone who was an outstanding hitter to be a coach, because sometimes when you are supremely talented you simply don't have to do a whole lot other than get out of your own way in order to succeed. When such a person becomes a coach of others, it is often difficult for them to understand why this isn't the case for them as well. This is why Frank may not be the best choice for a hitting coach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (toasty @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 03:50 AM) This is why Frank may not be the best choice for a hitting coach That should be obvious. Frank by all accounts was an abrasive and selfish teammate for most of his tenure, at worst. At best, he certainly just seemed to have difficulty communicating effectively with people, or at least relating. Neither are good qualities for a coach. As a consultant? Fine, but not full time hitting coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 11, 2011 -> 12:19 PM) I doubt there's any correlation between great hitting coaches and how successful they were as players. those who can, do. those who can't, teach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Princess Dye Posted October 12, 2011 Share Posted October 12, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 12, 2011 -> 09:17 AM) those who can, do. those who can't, teach. vile phrase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chetkincaid Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 So has the bench coach position officially been filled yet? On whitesox.com it lists Mike Gellinger as the bench coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Chet Kincaid @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 11:39 AM) So has the bench coach position officially been filled yet? On whitesox.com it lists Mike Gellinger as the bench coach. He was the fill in on the last two days of the season, so no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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