Steve9347 Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Soria possibly headed to Tommy John surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted March 19, 2012 Share Posted March 19, 2012 Look how many years the Royals could have traded Soria for big value. Sucks to be them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 19, 2012 -> 11:15 PM) Look how many years the Royals could have traded Soria for big value. Sucks to be them. Why does everybody think the Royals should have traded Soria when he was an automatic save machine? Rivera has been closing for 90 years now for the Yankees. Why do teams always have to trade players? It's not like the guys teams receive in return in trades are always worth a damn? So I guess the Sox should have traded Mark last year. It's an epic fail Kenny didn't. But Kenny gets a free pass on that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smalls2598 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 19, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) Why does everybody think the Royals should have traded Soria when he was an automatic save machine? Rivera has been closing for 90 years now for the Yankees. Why do teams always have to trade players? It's not like the guys teams receive in return in trades are always worth a damn? So I guess the Sox should have traded Mark last year. It's an epic fail Kenny didn't. But Kenny gets a free pass on that?? A couple years back, Soria was one of the top closers in the game. For a team like the Royals, who weren't expected to compete, they could have received a good amount in return for him. Adding in that he was still young (still is only 27) and his salary was very favorable. Buehrle was 32 last year, and making nearly $15 mil, and on his last year of his contract. The Sox would not have received much in return. But we all know, you just have to throw that statement in because you have to take a shot at KW whenever you can. Edited March 20, 2012 by smalls2598 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoxAce Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 19, 2012 -> 04:51 PM) Soria possibly headed to Tommy John surgery. Possibly his second one.. yikes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 19, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) Why does everybody think the Royals should have traded Soria when he was an automatic save machine? Rivera has been closing for 90 years now for the Yankees. Why do teams always have to trade players? It's not like the guys teams receive in return in trades are always worth a damn? So I guess the Sox should have traded Mark last year. It's an epic fail Kenny didn't. But Kenny gets a free pass on that?? Congrats you have now found the one exception to the rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 19, 2012 -> 10:29 PM) Why does everybody think the Royals should have traded Soria when he was an automatic save machine? Because the Royals always suck and saving a victory when you're in last place means s***. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN Arodys Vizcaino getting Tommy John surgery, says ATL GM Frank Wren. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2012 -> 11:12 AM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN Arodys Vizcaino getting Tommy John surgery, says ATL GM Frank Wren. Dude. Seriously? I challenge you to find one person on this board who finds that tweet to be of relevance. Also, wrong thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 20, 2012 Author Share Posted March 20, 2012 Scott Miller @ScottMCBS RT @Royals: #Royals acquire C Humberto Quintero and OF Jason Bourgeois from Astros for minor lg lefty Kevin Chapman and PTBNL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted March 20, 2012 Share Posted March 20, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 20, 2012 -> 03:40 PM) Scott Miller @ScottMCBS RT @Royals: #Royals acquire C Humberto Quintero and OF Jason Bourgeois from Astros for minor lg lefty Kevin Chapman and PTBNL. Weren't Quintero and Bourgeois with the Sox at one time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 20, 2012 -> 03:04 PM) Because the Royals always suck and saving a victory when you're in last place means s***. Then Murphy's Law has hit this team. They are expecting to be better this year and he was supposed to be the automatic save man again (yes he blew some saves last year) with some decent set up men before him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 12:48 AM) Then Murphy's Law has hit this team. They are expecting to be better this year and he was supposed to be the automatic save man again (yes he blew some saves last year) with some decent set up men before him. Man, even when we explain it to you, you dont get it. The Royals could have had a really nice haul for Soria, and could have players in his place that could move them forward towards competing in the AL Central. Instead, they held on to him and now they have nothing to show for it but an expensive guy on the DL getting tommy john surgery. Why is this hard to understand? It has nothing to do with Murphys Law, it has to do with being smart with your assets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 06:37 AM) Man, even when we explain it to you, you dont get it. The Royals could have had a really nice haul for Soria, and could have players in his place that could move them forward towards competing in the AL Central. Instead, they held on to him and now they have nothing to show for it but an expensive guy on the DL getting tommy john surgery. Why is this hard to understand? It has nothing to do with Murphys Law, it has to do with being smart with your assets. I've always said that Dayton Moore doesn't know how to run a Major League operation. He sure as hell can run a minor league one, but he doesn't know what the hell he's doing 90% of the time when it comes to ML ball players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 20, 2012 -> 11:59 AM) Dude. Seriously? I challenge you to find one person on this board who finds that tweet to be of relevance. Also, wrong thread. J4L probably does. He loves him some Braves and Blue Jays prospects. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 06:53 AM) 19 ABs, 26 PAs, 1 2B, 2 HR, 7 BB, 1 K, .263/.462/.632/1.093 --- I seem to recall seeing someone mention on here that he switched to a lighter bat. Is that true or am I imagining things? Because I sorta recall suggesting that last season because he simply couldn't get the SOB through the zone, and when he did, he was lugging it through so he had no bat speed. QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 12:37 PM) Man, even when we explain it to you, you dont get it. The Royals could have had a really nice haul for Soria, and could have players in his place that could move them forward towards competing in the AL Central. Instead, they held on to him and now they have nothing to show for it but an expensive guy on the DL getting tommy john surgery. Why is this hard to understand? It has nothing to do with Murphys Law, it has to do with being smart with your assets. Quit yelling at me and talking down to me. Two weeks ago nobody was saying s*** about how the Royals had to deal Soria. He was to be the dominant closer on a team expected to be good What is so hard to understand about keeping an all-star closer? You don't always have to trade guys just because he's a closer and expected to get hurt at some point. KC on paper has a way better team than our beloved Sox and he was to be the automatic save man. Edited March 21, 2012 by greg775 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) KC on paper has a way better team than our beloved Sox and he was to be the automatic save man. I'll believe it when I see it. For like 15 straight years people have been projecting that horsecrap team to breakout, and they never do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 04:52 PM) I'll believe it when I see it. For like 15 straight years people have been projecting that horsecrap team to breakout, and they never do. They finally have a pretty good offense, but their pitching blows. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) Quit yelling at me and talking down to me. Two weeks ago nobody was saying s*** about how the Royals had to deal Soria. He was to be the dominant closer on a team expected to be good What is so hard to understand about keeping an all-star closer? You don't always have to trade guys just because he's a closer and expected to get hurt at some point. KC on paper has a way better team than our beloved Sox and he was to be the automatic save man. greg, you conveniently ignore so many aspects of arguments, that you practically force people to talk down in order to get you to pay attention to what they are saying. Soria was an amazing closer for the past 3 years or so, but the guy has already had arm issues in the past, and last season you could see he was starting to lose his control. The Royals havent truly contended for a long time, and they werent expected to any of the seasons that Soria was an all star closer(nor did they contend). So they have this amazing closer rotting in the bullpen for a team that was winning maybe 70 games tops. Why would you keep that guy around? He is A: going to get more expensive(and we all know the Royals arent exactly big spenders), and B: possibly going to get injured, diminishing any value he has. The Royals could have had a sale to the highest bidder any one of the past 3 offseasons or trade deadlines and gotten a very good haul for Soria, contenders like the Phillies, Boston, even the Yankees would love to have a guy like him in the bullpen. But no, they say on him, and he blew out his arm. a wasted opportunity for a team that doesnt seem to get many opportunities Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted March 21, 2012 Share Posted March 21, 2012 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 11:05 PM) greg, you conveniently ignore so many aspects of arguments, that you practically force people to talk down in order to get you to pay attention to what they are saying. Soria was an amazing closer for the past 3 years or so, but the guy has already had arm issues in the past, and last season you could see he was starting to lose his control. The Royals havent truly contended for a long time, and they werent expected to any of the seasons that Soria was an all star closer(nor did they contend). So they have this amazing closer rotting in the bullpen for a team that was winning maybe 70 games tops. Why would you keep that guy around? He is A: going to get more expensive(and we all know the Royals arent exactly big spenders), and B: possibly going to get injured, diminishing any value he has. The Royals could have had a sale to the highest bidder any one of the past 3 offseasons or trade deadlines and gotten a very good haul for Soria, contenders like the Phillies, Boston, even the Yankees would love to have a guy like him in the bullpen. But no, they say on him, and he blew out his arm. a wasted opportunity for a team that doesnt seem to get many opportunities Makes sense. I just wonder if their master plan included him remaining a force for when it was time to contend which (according to KU people) is pretty soon; next year if not this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted March 22, 2012 Share Posted March 22, 2012 QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 21, 2012 -> 04:35 PM) Quit yelling at me and talking down to me. Two weeks ago nobody was saying s*** about how the Royals had to deal Soria. He was to be the dominant closer on a team expected to be good What is so hard to understand about keeping an all-star closer? You don't always have to trade guys just because he's a closer and expected to get hurt at some point. KC on paper has a way better team than our beloved Sox and he was to be the automatic save man. Brandon League was an all-star closer last year...just so you know. All-star closers pop up out of nowhere all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 23, 2012 Author Share Posted March 23, 2012 Mike Swanson @Swanee54 Joakim Soria has decided to undergo Tommy John surgery. It is scheduled for April 3 in Los Angeles and will be performed by Dr. Lewis Yocum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 27, 2012 Author Share Posted March 27, 2012 http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/...alary-for-2012/ Fausto Carmona loses $4.5 million in guaranteed salary for 2012 D.J. Short Mar 26, 2012, 8:22 PM EDT 1 Comment Fausto Carmona, Roberto Hernandez Heredia Jon Heyman of CBSSports.com recently reported that the Indians restructured the contract of Roberto Hernandez, formerly known as Fausto Carmona, following his arrest on false identity charges in January. Now we know the details. According to the Associated Press, Hernandez will make $2.5 million as a base salary in 2012 and can earn an additional $2.7 million in performance and roster bonuses. He was previously set to earn $7 million this season after the Indians picked up his club option in October. His $9 million option for 2013 was also reduced to $6 million, but he has a chance to make an additional $3 million in bonuses based on innings pitched. Of course, Hernandez won’t earn a dime until he is removed from MLB’s restricted list. He recently reached a deal to have his false identity charges dropped in exchange for completing a work program in his native Dominican Republic, but he is currently awaiting a work visa to return to the United States. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 I'm trying to figure out "How" his contract was restructured. Willingly or did the Tribe somehow get to force that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted March 28, 2012 Author Share Posted March 28, 2012 MLB Trade Rumors @mlbtraderumors Twins Release Joel Zumaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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