Kalapse Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:17 PM) That's kind of ridiculous... I imagine he's catering to the hardcore sabermetricians who want to do actual statistical research and not just evaluate players for the hell of it. I would love to have a sabermetrics related stats class at the college level though. That'd be a class worth taking (I'm paying the tuition for 18 credit hours anyways). I think the big selling point is the 2 hour one-on-one workshop with Tango himself via internet/phone. And yeah; he's definitely going for the hardcore sabermetricians, he basically says so with his snarky pitch. This is clearly for people who are looking to enter the field as a career choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) I think the big selling point is the 2 hour one-on-one workshop with Tango himself via internet/phone. And yeah; he's definitely going for the hardcore sabermetricians, he basically says so with his snarky pitch. This is clearly for people who are looking to enter the field as a career choice. Apparently, registration is half-full according to Tango. So there are definitely people interested in dishing out the money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:05 PM) I remember when Ozzie started Jones in center instead of Rios one game (Rios started in right) because they had a vote inside the clubhouse as to who the best OF on the team is. Jones won (probably because he had gold gloves) and Ozzie stupidly went with it. Thank god he's no longer the manager. 0_o This happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 09:40 PM) 0_o This happened? Yes it did. Unless it happened in my dreams or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 09:00 PM) Oh please, it seems everyone is exploiting that site and UZR these days and it's f***ing annoying. When Lichtman developed the statistic he sure as s*** didn't mean for it to be used on sample sizes as small as Jones': ~ 1200 INN in the outfield over the past three seasons. UZR is meant to judge starting position players over a 3000+ INN sample typically over a 3 year span. Any less or spread over too many seasons and you start to develop anomalies and inaccuracies that aren't weeded out by sample size. Well then show me how he is "barely an OF", because when he played for us, he looked fine out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:11 PM) Amen to that. Speaking of quantitative analysis: did you see that Tom Tango is starting up online classes? A grand for early bird's and $1495 after that, I can't imagine find too many takers at that price (perhaps I'm just naive or cheap) but it's intriguing none the less. QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:17 PM) That's kind of ridiculous... I imagine he's catering to the hardcore sabermetricians who want to do actual statistical research and not just evaluate players for the hell of it. I would love to have a sabermetrics related stats class at the college level though. That'd be a class worth taking (I'm paying the tuition for 18 credit hours anyways). EDIT: After looking at http://tangotiger.net/teaching.html, it looks like there will be a decent amount of CS in it (data mining is a 400 level CS topic at UIUC). Looks like this is the kind of class that can prep you for a job on same ML club. A lot of the clubs want you to be able to gather all their data for them. QUOTE (Kalapse @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:22 PM) I think the big selling point is the 2 hour one-on-one workshop with Tango himself via internet/phone. And yeah; he's definitely going for the hardcore sabermetricians, he basically says so with his snarky pitch. This is clearly for people who are looking to enter the field as a career choice. QUOTE (chw42 @ Dec 30, 2011 -> 07:36 PM) Apparently, registration is half-full according to Tango. So there are definitely people interested in dishing out the money. Holy s***, I think I need to do this. If even one of you says you're down, then I'm down immediately. Even at $1500. If I can get in at $1,000 still...no, haven't looked, don't care...then that saves me $500. PM me if you actually want to do this. Mostly for vanity purposes, but this could actually make and meet several new year resolutions, if you actually do that kind of thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 10:19 AM) Holy s***, I think I need to do this. If even one of you says you're down, then I'm down immediately. Even at $1500. If I can get in at $1,000 still...no, haven't looked, don't care...then that saves me $500. PM me if you actually want to do this. Mostly for vanity purposes, but this could actually make and meet several new year resolutions, if you actually do that kind of thing. I think I have enough classes on my hands. lol I'd love to know how to do this kind of stuff (somewhat fits into my major with the CS stuff), but I don't think I have the time or the money to do it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 31, 2011 -> 11:19 AM) Holy s***, I think I need to do this. If even one of you says you're down, then I'm down immediately. Even at $1500. If I can get in at $1,000 still...no, haven't looked, don't care...then that saves me $500. PM me if you actually want to do this. Mostly for vanity purposes, but this could actually make and meet several new year resolutions, if you actually do that kind of thing. It would be interesting to see if some of the Clubs would send any of their employees to take this class. I'm sure most teams would think they are above this sort of thing, but at that price, it's a no-doubter for someone working in or near a MLB FO. Additionally, one would think having this on your resume would be a big difference-maker for getting an internship or entry-level position. If you consider how much higher-level education actually costs, this is peanuts. BTW, for anyone that might be interested, I did see that the Orioles were hiring an analytics intern. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal In any case, many in industry believe that Boras wants opt-out for Prince. From their perspective, makes all the sense in the world. #MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney So contrary to what Marlins exec said, Hanley Ramirez only now indicates he's open to the idea of moving to third base. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 3, 2012 Author Share Posted January 3, 2012 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Coco Crisp is signing with Oakland, for a $6m salary in 2012, a $7m salary in '13, a club option of $7.5m for '14, with a $1 m. buyout. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 04:45 PM) Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Coco Crisp is signing with Oakland, for a $6m salary in 2012, a $7m salary in '13, a club option of $7.5m for '14, with a $1 m. buyout. I'm shaking my head a bit at this one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal In any case, many in industry believe that Boras wants opt-out for Prince. From their perspective, makes all the sense in the world. #MLB Yeah, for the team that signs him. In 3-4 years, I think we're going to look at Fielder very differently. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 07:06 PM) Yeah, for the team that signs him. In 3-4 years, I think we're going to look at Fielder very differently. Because of his weight? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 07:00 PM) I'm shaking my head a bit at this one... If you believe in WAR, and Fangraph's monetary value for it, Crisp should be easily worth this contract. He has put up 7+ WAR in the past 3 seasons. This deal calls for him to put up 3 wins over the next 2 seasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (iamshack @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 06:10 PM) Because of his weight? Look what happened to his dad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiliIrishHammock24 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (chw42 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 09:07 PM) Look what happened to his dad. He created a superstar kid? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (JoeCoolMan24 @ Jan 3, 2012 -> 10:22 PM) He created a superstar kid? Cecil Fielder hit a wall after he reached 33 and was out of baseball 2 years later. Mo Vaughn's story was somewhat similar. Not saying it will happen to Prince, but there's a trend where fat sluggers tend to decline in their early 30s. Edited January 4, 2012 by chw42 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 http://mlb.sbnation.com/2012/1/4/2681175/t...fernando-rodney Report: Rays Close To Signing Reliever Fernando Rodney DETROIT: Fernando Rodney #56 of Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim pitches in the ninth inning against the Detroit Tigers during the game on at Comerica Park in Detroit, Michigan. The Tigers defeated the Angels 3-2. (Photo by Leon Halip/Getty Images) Bookmark and Share By Rob Neyer - National Baseball Editor According to an AP report from the Dominican Republic, erstwhile closer and current free agent Fernando Rodney is on the verge of signing a one-year deal to pitch for the Tampa Bay Rays. Follow @sbnbaseball on Twitter, and Like Baseball Nation on Facebook. Jan 4, 2012 - According to Marc Topkin -- and yes, a Google translation that might or might not be smarter than the average Rosetta Stone disc -- the only thing standing between free agent Fernando Rodney and a seven-figure contract with the Tampa Bay Rays is a physical examination. Which figures to be routine, since Rodney's been pitching effectively in the Dominican Winter League. Topkin: Rodney, who turns 35 in March, told an Associated Press reporter in the Dominican Republic last week he has agreed to a one-year contract with the Rays for slightly more than $2 million. --snip-- Rodney spoke to the AP reporter as if the deal was complete. "It's confirmed, (it) will be published in January if God permits," he said, based on a Google translation of his quotes. "I signed for one year with Tampa Bay to keep working hard and see if God gives me something better." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 Any doubt that Rodney becomes an outstanding reliever in Tampa? Everyone else seem to when they get there, even Farnsworth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 mlbtraderumors MLB Trade Rumors RT @Enrique_Rojas1: Deal done between Rodney and Rays. Rodney get $1.75 million in 2012, $2.5 million option in 2013 and 250K buyout Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 I can't believe he is still hanging on Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Also to the Dodgers is former White Sox 3B prospect Josh Fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Sources: Saunders receiving one-year and multi-year offers. Three-year deal possible. #Tigers, #Marlins among logical fits. #MLB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted January 4, 2012 Share Posted January 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 4, 2012 -> 01:25 PM) I can't believe he is still hanging on Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Also to the Dodgers is former White Sox 3B prospect Josh Fields. Thought he was in Japan last year. Must have done OK out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted January 4, 2012 Author Share Posted January 4, 2012 eddymk Matt Eddy Diamondbacks signed 1B Mike Jacobs to minors deal. He still must serve 50-game suspension for positive HGH test in August. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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