Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2012 -> 09:54 AM) You don't, and, They are. If that's the case...then the White Sox have a much better chance at that 2nd wild card than they did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 I would trade for Matt Thornton and take on that salary in a second before I would mess with Marmol. Marmol and the pressure-cooker that is NY, not a good idea. There's pretty good reason to suspect Soriano wouldn't be able to handle it either...he just doesn't have the same kind of stuff he had 5 years ago when he could be devastating. And Soriano's already become Cashman's own version of Adam Dunn in a way, the fans aren't going to give him much rope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:47 AM) If I'm sitting in Cashman's chair and I have a blank check and my job is to continue winning pennants and world series games, yes, I'd take on Marmol, that would not be the worst risk ever, but I'd make sure he passes a serious physical first (so that I know his current issue isn't that he's about to blow out an elbow). If ownership is seriously pushing me to get down below the luxury tax threshold, and I'm staring Cano and Granderson's extensions in the face, then no, I wouldn't even think about it. It's a good thing you aren't sitting in Cashman's chair right now then. I don't see how spending $15 million on a guy who can't throw strikes to pitch the 7th inning is a good idea. Especially just a day after Mo's injury. You have two very good options in your bullpen. Hughes has been much better as a reliever than a starter and he can head back there once Pettitte is called up. If your replacements fail miserably for some reason, then you start looking for outside help. Myers, Street, Betancourt may all be available, or maybe Marmol will have figured it out. You don't spend all that money hoping that you can figure out his problem, it's not like control has ever been his strong suit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:06 AM) I would trade for Matt Thornton and take on that salary in a second before I would mess with Marmol. Marmol and the pressure-cooker that is NY, not a good idea. There's pretty good reason to suspect Soriano wouldn't be able to handle it either...he just doesn't have the same kind of stuff he had 5 years ago when he could be devastating. And Soriano's already become Cashman's own version of Adam Dunn in a way, the fans aren't going to give him much rope. Well of course you'd take on Thornton, but the White Sox aren't going to give him away for nothing, they're going to want talent back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 3, 2012 -> 07:15 PM) That would just destroy the Yankees. QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 08:58 AM) If that's the case...then the White Sox have a much better chance at that 2nd wild card than they did yesterday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 09:13 AM) Well of course you'd take on Thornton, but the White Sox aren't going to give him away for nothing, they're going to want talent back. As well they should. The guy is one of the top lefty relievers in baseball. Those guys come at a cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 Jon Morosi @jonmorosi #Dodgers sign Bobby Abreu, sources confirm. @JonHeymanCBS was first to report. Abreu will be a LH bench bat and make some OF starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 According to FanGraphs, Albert Pujols has been the 2nd least valuable player in baseball, right below Xavier Nady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 (edited) QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ May 4, 2012 -> 10:27 AM) According to FanGraphs, Albert Pujols has been the 2nd least valuable player in baseball, right below Xavier Nady. Yay, Morel's not last. Nor is Beckham. Baby steps. Edited May 4, 2012 by caulfield12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2012 -> 01:05 PM) Yay, Morel's not last. Nor is Beckham. Baby steps. Both of those guys have been putting up respectable numbers for a couple/few weeks now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:12 PM) Both of those guys have been putting up respectable numbers for a couple/few weeks now. Hmph, you're actaully right, Morel's hitting .268 since his low point a couple weeks ago. Just no power at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 01:21 PM) Hmph, you're actaully right, Morel's hitting .268 since his low point a couple weeks ago. Just no power at all. And Gordo is 11-40 since he fell to .103, good for .275. Like I said it isn't great, but we have moved from horrible to respectable. That is a good start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 But what kind of prospect are you going to legitimately get from the Yankees for Matt Thornton? Not one of their Top 3 prospects. Maybe 6-10? If it was in 2010, when his contract was more typical of a set-up guy, I could see us getting something really nice, but not so much now because of his age, salary and failures in 2011. Probably nothing like Wilson Ramos or Montero, which is what we really need. This would be our wish list, theoretically. 4. Gary Sanchez, c 5. Mason Williams, of 6. Dante Bichette, 3b 7. Ravel Santana, of 8. Austin Romine, c 9. J.R. Murphy, c/3b 10. Slade Heathcott, of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 It's quite hard to get Montero from the Yankees these days. I would probably be convinced by one of their "ranked" guys, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, or Williams. I wouldn't make the deal if I wasn't getting something legit back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted May 4, 2012 Author Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) It's quite hard to get Montero from the Yankees these days. I would probably be convinced by one of their "ranked" guys, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, or Williams. I wouldn't make the deal if I wasn't getting something legit back. With the amount of closers hurt and sucking around baseball right now, plus the fact the Sox haven't sucked this year, it would take a helluva price right now to pry Matt Thornton away from the south side of Chicago. And that is exactly how it should be. If the Yankees aren't willing to part with their top talent, hang up on them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:13 PM) It's quite hard to get Montero from the Yankees these days. I would probably be convinced by one of their "ranked" guys, Banuelos, Betances, Sanchez, or Williams. I wouldn't make the deal if I wasn't getting something legit back. LOL. Kind of doubt Ramos is available from the Nationals, too. Just throwing out a couple of names as reference points. And hopefully the Sox pitchers don't forget Montero, because he hit some of the hardest shots in that series for the M's, including the homer to straightaway CF. I meant grabbing a future starting catcher with that kind of cache. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ May 4, 2012 -> 02:22 PM) LOL. Kind of doubt Ramos is available from the Nationals, too. Just kidnap him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ May 4, 2012 -> 03:26 PM) Just kidnap him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Trade the Yanks Sale. Too soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 4, 2012 Share Posted May 4, 2012 Rivera says he'll be back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Trout at .190, Pujols at .196. Ouch. 510 OPS for Pujols currently. This one's going to get 5X the attention of Adam Dunn. I just hope for the sake of baseball that it doesn't come out that his success was PED's related, that would be a hard one to get over for the sport when THE best player of the last decade+ completely falls off the map. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Wait a minute. The Orioles are 17-9? I swear on Peter Griffin I didn't realize they were still playing so well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 The Angels have now been shut out during each of Ervin Santana's last 5 starts. First time in MLB History that's happened to a single pitcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 It's scary how much Dee Gordon's face looks like Michael Tucker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted May 5, 2012 Share Posted May 5, 2012 Orioles trouncing Boston. Could be 18-9 to start the season. They'll fall back, but good for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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