StrangeSox Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 08:53 AM) Our evidence that they built it, is that is it there and that they were there at the same time. That's it. The Egyptians don't even know how they were built. That is the same evidence as any of the relationships between layouts, distances, etc. No, it's really not and I don't know how else to explain the vast, clear difference between the evidence that the Egyptians built the pyramids (pyramids exist in Egypt, are filled with Egyptian artifacts and are documented in Egyptian historical records) with "evidence" that they knew random astronomical dimensions based entirely on modern numerology of backing out arbitrary ratios and then finding matches. That's coincidence, not intentional design. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Not sure if this counts, but in 5th or 6th grade I had a teacher tell me the moon didnt rotate. Something didnt seem right. It does indeed rotate, but at the same rate it revolves around the earth, so the same side always faces earth. Which, seems almost impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:21 AM) Not sure if this counts, but in 5th or 6th grade I had a teacher tell me the moon didnt rotate. Something didnt seem right. It does indeed rotate, but at the same rate it revolves around the earth, so the same side always faces earth. Which, seems almost impossible. It's tidally locked with the earth. The moon orbits the Earth, but the same side is always facing the earth. It doesn't spin as it orbits, as the Earth does around the sun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 10:21 AM) Not sure if this counts, but in 5th or 6th grade I had a teacher tell me the moon didnt rotate. Something didnt seem right. It does indeed rotate, but at the same rate it revolves around the earth, so the same side always faces earth. Which, seems almost impossible. That doesn't happen by chance. We call that being "Tidally locked". Through the fact that the Earth and Moon have tides, the energy that used to go into rotation of the Moon has dissipated over time. Tidally locked planets/moons should be fairly common around the universe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 13, 2011 -> 07:21 PM) Humans have gotten larger in just the last 200 years. The average man in the early 1800s was 5'5" and 145lbs. Now, I'd say 5'9" and 170lbs. I've always wondered why that is. It's not like the average man was 4'6" in 1532. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) It's tidally locked with the earth. The moon orbits the Earth, but the same side is always facing the earth. It doesn't spin as it orbits, as the Earth does around the sun. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_locking QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:24 AM) That doesn't happen by chance. We call that being "Tidally locked". Through the fact that the Earth and Moon have tides, the energy that used to go into rotation of the Moon has dissipated over time. Tidally locked planets/moons should be fairly common around the universe. HUH! Thank you. Well, you learn something new everyday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 Also, the Moon doesn't orbit the Earth, the Earth and Moon orbit as a pair with the center of rotation something like 5000km from the center of the earth. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orbit_of_the_Moon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (knightni @ Oct 13, 2011 -> 05:55 PM) Lee refused to fight against Virginia, that's why he fought for the South. That's the way I remember it, but I'm sure the other reasons also came into play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StrangeSox Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) I've always wondered why that is. It's not like the average man was 4'6" in 1532. IIRC it's mostly due to nutritional changes, mainly that many humans now have constant adequate nutritional supply. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....ller&page=2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuskyCaucasian Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (StrangeSox @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:30 AM) IIRC it's mostly due to nutritional changes, mainly that many humans now have constant adequate nutritional supply. http://www.scientificamerican.com/article....ller&page=2 that what I was find of thinking. We just eat more than we used to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (Athomeboy_2000 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:26 AM) I've always wondered why that is. It's not like the average man was 4'6" in 1532. Basically, we eat a lot better (or at least, we eat a lot more, and in more variety). Also advances in disease prevention and treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonWeltall Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 02:15 PM) That isn't actually true. The Great pyramid contained no tomb, no mummy, no treasure, and no hieroglyphs inside the chambers. The only graffiti found was in breached areas. You are correct about writings inside the pyramid itself, but they are within burial/temple complexes which do contain writings and they clearly contain burial chambers, even if the contents of them have been looted. Honestly, who are the alternative builders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) You are correct about writings inside the pyramid itself, but they are within burial/temple complexes which do contain writings and they clearly contain burial chambers, even if the contents of them have been looted. Honestly, who are the alternative builders? The Kings Chamber had not been looted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) Basically, we eat a lot better (or at least, we eat a lot more, and in more variety). Also advances in disease prevention and treatment. We actually do eat better due to variety. The diets of plains settlers and others is atrocious. Meat and potatoes sounds well and nice until you, um, have no fiber to help you, you know. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenksismyhero Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 I remember reading McCullough's Lewis and Clark book. Those guys on the expedition would eat 5-6k calories a DAY of whatever meat they could get. Think how much physical work they went through to need that kind of calorie-intake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 14, 2011 Author Share Posted October 14, 2011 That's like tour de France cyclist territory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (CrimsonWeltall @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 08:42 AM) You are correct about writings inside the pyramid itself, but they are within burial/temple complexes which do contain writings and they clearly contain burial chambers, even if the contents of them have been looted. Honestly, who are the alternative builders? What I'm wondering is how the pyramids in Mexico and SA are almost identical in construction and layout, etc to those in Egypt. Edited October 14, 2011 by iamshack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NorthSideSox72 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 11:37 AM) That's like tour de France cyclist territory. Those guys are sometimes closer to 7k. I've done 80-90 mile ride days and some basic interwebbing says I'd likely go through 5k+ in a day doing that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 11:55 AM) What I'm wondering is how the pyramids in Mexico and SA are almost identical in construction and layout, etc to those in Egypt. I just finished reading a book about just that. It is also amazing exactly how many of completely different cultures earliest legends are practically the same as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 11:32 AM) I just finished reading a book about just that. It is also amazing exactly how many of completely different cultures earliest legends are practically the same as well. Aliens, I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) Aliens, I tell you. The book made the case for a long gone pre-culture, culture. Not aliens, not Atlantis, but something that experienced the last ice age 10,000+ years ago and was devastated by it. Much like other historical cultures that made big advancements and discoveries, only to have them be lost to history eventually, only to be rediscovered again later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 12:56 PM) The book made the case for a long gone pre-culture, culture. Not aliens, not Atlantis, but something that experienced the last ice age 10,000+ years ago and was devastated by it. Much like other historical cultures that made big advancements and discoveries, only to have them be lost to history eventually, only to be rediscovered again later. This is the book if you ever are bored. http://www.amazon.com/Fingerprints-Gods-Gr...k/dp/0517887290 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSqwert Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 12:50 PM) Aliens, I tell you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 11:56 AM) The book made the case for a long gone pre-culture, culture. Not aliens, not Atlantis, but something that experienced the last ice age 10,000+ years ago and was devastated by it. Much like other historical cultures that made big advancements and discoveries, only to have them be lost to history eventually, only to be rediscovered again later. I've seen that guy on tv...I'm assuming you've seen the show Ancient Aliens? I know there are quite a few quacks on there, but I honestly believe their general theory....that aliens visited the earth in the past in order to manipulate our development over time, to achieve their long-term goals. I know it sounds insane, but honestly, if you take all the evidence in question, it is one of the only logical explanations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 14, 2011 Share Posted October 14, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 14, 2011 -> 01:00 PM) I've seen that guy on tv...I'm assuming you've seen the show Ancient Aliens? I know there are quite a few quacks on there, but I honestly believe their general theory....that aliens visited the earth in the past in order to manipulate our development over time, to achieve their long-term goals. I know it sounds insane, but honestly, if you take all the evidence in question, it is one of the only logical explanations. I have watched it for sure. My grandmother was a massive Art Bell follower too. I haven't gone quite that far, but at the same time, it is impossible to discount it completely. I enjoyed this book a lot because it took a very different middle of the road path between the aliens did everything, and the modern day humans are the only intelligent creatures to ever walk the earth crowds. It seemed most plausible of all of the different theories I have read over the years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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