southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan A lot of people in the know agree: Unless something drastic happens, the international draft is happening in 2014. Tax stuff just a prelude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:57 PM) It severely cripples teams like the Royals, Pirates, Jays, and Nationals. It's going to hurt them much more than teams like the Red Sox and Rangers. But otherwise yes, the teams in the middle will benefit from this. It does not cripple them in any way. It doesn't make it more difficult for them to sign players, it actually makes it easier for them to sign players they draft early in the first round. There's no more "Does Stras need $50 million" to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:17 PM) DKnobler DKnobler Pre-draft drug testing for the top 200 prospects SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman Drafted players may only sign minor-league deals now. #MLB, #cba QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:18 PM) Minor league deals only? Terrible. Again, this avoids the "We're going to call you up and start your arbitration clock immediately" clause that screwed the Tigers over on Andrew Miller. Put the guy on a minor league deal, give him his bonus, and if he's ready to be called up on day 1, call him up for that reason, not money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman "Market disqualification" is an interesting part of cba. It says by 2016 top 15 markets can't receive revenue sharing $. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Current players have taken action more aggressively than previous generation to get their sport clean, to level their playing field. Buster_ESPN Buster Olney It is taken as fact by some GMs/managers/players that some players are cheating with PEDs/HGH now. Union targeting them with its HGH stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 DKnobler DKnobler MLB says the bonus pool for the 2012 draft will be $4.5 million to $11.5 million, depending on how many picks and on where a team picks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 jimcallisBA Jim Callis As @willingo noticed after reading fine print, tms w/comp-balance lottery picks can trade them. Just confirmed that w/club exec. #mlbdraft Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 jaysonst Jayson Stark Another sidelight to the labor deal: Most draft picks can't be traded. But picks lost by teams for violating new draft rules CAN be traded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) JR is doing the polka at Bud's house Thanksgiving night! The Sox spent $2.786,300 on draft picks this past summer, according to Baseball America - lowest among the majors' 30 teams. They also spent a major league-low $18,327,450 on amateur bonuses from 2007-11, according to Baseball America. Hard to build a farm system with investment in minor league system that bad, it is like trying to eat corn on the cob with no f'n teeth! Edited November 22, 2011 by Soxfest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 01:47 PM) It does not cripple them in any way. It doesn't make it more difficult for them to sign players, it actually makes it easier for them to sign players they draft early in the first round. There's no more "Does Stras need $50 million" to worry about. This isn't hard to grasp. The Royals/Pirates etc haven't had trouble signing players they pick in the 1st round. They have been opening their wallets for tons of players seeking over-slot throughout the entire draft, despite the round. This is why they have been leading baseball in overslot bonuses these last few years. These teams have chosen to build from within, as they need to, and have spent accordingly. These teams take advantage of those that are too cheap or too stupid to invest in amateur talent that might cost a premium. The CBA effectively ends this practice by essentially allowing any team to select said talent as prices are now largely restricted with this over cap tax. I can't fathom that people think this is good for said teams. The overwhelming consensus is that this is terrible for them. This isn't just some random whim here. It's astounding that people think otherwise. KG put it as succinct as possible: Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein You know how the Royals have a great system? They did that through spending big money on the draft. Strategy now basically illegal. 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein You know how the Rangers have a remarkable wealth of high-ceiling talent due to incredible international work? Strategy now illegal. 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 It's a breath of fresh air to see the players cooperating with the league, unlike that other league who won't have a season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 If 90% of the teams are trying to get an advantage by going over-slot, then no one is really getting an advantage by going over-slot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (chw42 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) It's a breath of fresh air to see the players cooperating with the league, unlike that other league who won't have a season... Oh yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 12:02 PM) JeffPassan Jeff Passan Sources: Cubans under 23 years old and with less than three years in pro ball will be considered "amateurs" and count against int'l bonus $. Viciedo just makes the cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 The details of this CBA, and what MLB was able to work out... so intricate and game-altering... really makes me shake my head at the NBA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I find this bonkers that people are so concerned about the pirates royals and rangers. Honestly who cares. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 05:47 PM) I find this bonkers that people are so concerned about the pirates royals and rangers. Honestly who cares. Not I. And to be honest, they've had their run of quite a few years of unfettered spending on the draft. They all should have a quality farm moving forward by this point, so shut the f*** up and play those hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Starting in 2016, teams from the top 15 markets no longer will receive revenue sharing. Today, would affect Washington, Toronto and Houston. MLB has a formula to define market size. Includes population, TV market, revenue and other factors. Eg: Despite Bay Area, Oakland small mkt. JeffPassan Jeff Passan Another person in the room says GM vote was 24-6 for hard slotting. Either way, vast, vast majority went along with idea. Wasn't just Selig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan The slots for the Nos. 1-4 picks in the draft are going to be $7.2M, $6.2M, $5.2M and $4.2M. Teams are not, however, required to spend that. JeffPassan Jeff Passan The team picking first, for example, can take a player No. 1 overall for $4M and spread the remaining $3.2M out over other picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 hoynsie paul hoynes Nugget from new basic agreement: No new players will be allowed to use low density maple bats during length of contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Nov 23, 2011 -> 01:18 AM) Not I. And to be honest, they've had their run of quite a few years of unfettered spending on the draft. They all should have a quality farm moving forward by this point, so shut the f*** up and play those hands. Those tweets "know how this team has a great farm, that's now ILLEGAL" oh boo hoo. The system is changing. You know those examples of those awful teams picking bad players for signability? Probably will be less of those. Plus by discouraging high school players now, these worse teams can get talent closer to the MLB in the draft. Yes, these teams were finding good value in the OLD system, but was the OLD system perfect? I don't think so. Just because people say X is better than Y doesn't make it so. Spend money getting great draft evaluators...the new value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 23, 2011 -> 09:55 AM) Those tweets "know how this team has a great farm, that's now ILLEGAL" oh boo hoo. The system is changing. You know those examples of those awful teams picking bad players for signability? Probably will be less of those. Plus by discouraging high school players now, these worse teams can get talent closer to the MLB in the draft. Yes, these teams were finding good value in the OLD system, but was the OLD system perfect? I don't think so. Just because people say X is better than Y doesn't make it so. Spend money getting great draft evaluators...the new value. Good points. It did sound pretty bitter from guys who were probably a bit more biased because of their paychecks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 23, 2011 Author Share Posted November 23, 2011 SSS breakdown of the new CBA and the Sox. http://www.southsidesox.com/2011/11/22/257...e-white-sox-and Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 This is even better than the new owner I'd hoped for under the old rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted November 23, 2011 Share Posted November 23, 2011 Hooray for the 'cash cow' that is college baseball. The new draft restrictions are pretty pathetic. But hey, I guess this helps the Sox. Now more teams will be forced to be as cheap as they've been for the last 10 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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