southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman Hearing there is "conceptual agreement" for baseball labor deal but some specifics to be finalized (slotting taxfigures, etc.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal Baseball labor deal is for five years. Will give sport 21 years of consecutive labor peace. #mlb Sources: Baseball labor deal is done. Announcement Monday. #MLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 18, 2011 Author Share Posted November 18, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman There will be no hard slot (caps) for baseball draft choices but wll be "recommended' slots w/ tax implications for teams way over One side views cba as "done," other side says hopefully done today. In any case, monday announcement likely. #greatjob, #mazeltov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatnom Posted November 18, 2011 Share Posted November 18, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2011 -> 08:27 AM) SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman There will be no hard slot (caps) for baseball draft choices but wll be "recommended' slots w/ tax implications for teams way over One side views cba as "done," other side says hopefully done today. In any case, monday announcement likely. #greatjob, #mazeltov Yes, that's the solution to the drafting problem. Only make sure the poor/cheap teams don't do it, so the high spending teams can still keep gaming the system. It will be interesting to see how they define "way over." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Major League Baseball's new collective bargaining agreement will include blood testing for human growth hormone, sources confirmed to ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney. A report in the New York Times, citing two league sources familiar with the deal, said testing would begin in February during spring training. According to the sources, the penalty for a positive HGH test will be the same as a positive steroid test -- a 50-game suspension. MLB would become the first major professional sports league in North America to test for HGH. The NFL agreed upon on HGH testing in its latest CBA, but has yet to implement it. MLB already conducts random testing for HGH in the minor leagues, a program it began last year. Baseball's new labor contract also will include a rise in the minimum salary to $480,000 and luxury taxes on both amateur draft signings and international free agents coming to the major leagues. There also will be a slight increase in the total of players eligible for salary arbitration after the 2012 season, when there also will be a new method to determine compensation for clubs losing top major league free agents. There also will be modifications to the luxury tax on high-payroll teams, but the threshold will remain at $178 million next year. Sources told ESPN.com's Jayson Stark that MLB's labor negotiators have reached a "handshake agreement" on all major issues, and the sport's new five-year collective bargaining agreement is likely to be announced Tuesday. The new labor deal will run through the 2016 season, meaning it will ensure two full decades of continuous labor peace for the first time since the formation of the Major League Baseball Players Association in the 1960s. The changes would be the most numerous since the 1997 agreement that came nearly two years after a 7½-month strike that wiped out the 1994 World Series. The five-year deal, replacing one set to expire Dec. 11, ensures 21 consecutive years of labor peace for MLB at a time when the NBA season is being threatened by a lockout that already has wiped out a quarter of the regular season. As part of the deal, baseball's minimum salary will go from $414,000 this year to $480,000 in 2012 and $500,000 later in the deal -- matching what the average salary was in 1989. Owners gained one of their chief objectives: a restraint on the bonuses paid to amateur free agents, both those entering professional baseball from high schools and colleges and those coming to MLB organizations from abroad. A tax of 75 percent to 100 percent will be imposed on the amount a team exceeds a threshold, and teams exceeding the threshold by higher amounts could lose first- and second-round draft picks. For international free agents, such as players from the Dominican Republic and Venezuela, there will be a separate threshold and tax with penalties, and there will be a study committee that could put a new system in place later during the agreement. After the 2012 season, about five to six additional major leaguers will become eligible for salary arbitration each year. The group of players with at least two but less than three years of major league service lost the right to arbitration in the 1985 agreement, but players regained it for the top 17 percent of 2-3-year players by service time in the 1990 deal. That will rise to 22 percent following the 2012 season. For this offseason, the number of Type A free agents, requiring the highest draft-pick compensation from the team signing a player, will be cut from 21 as part of a one-year deal bridging the way to a new system. There will be no change for the most-prized free agents, such as Albert Pujols and Prince Fielder. Starting next year, teams will have to make a "qualifying offer" of a one-year guaranteed contract to their players eligible to become free agents in order to receive compensation if the player signs with another club. That amount will be at least $12.4 million and could rise by next year, depending on a formula. The new "qualifying offer" does away with the statistical formula for ranking free agents that has existed since the 1981 strike settlement. In addition, there are modifications to baseball's revenue-sharing formula and to its benefit plan. Players and owners did not agree to a tax on low-payroll teams, although they did have some discussion during negotiations. Yay on the HGH testing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 21, 2011 Author Share Posted November 21, 2011 DKnobler DKnobler MLB makes it official. CBA announcement is tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Kool Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 20, 2011 -> 08:37 PM) Yay on the HGH testing.[/url] From what I've read the HGH test really hasn't caught many athletes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:43 PM) From what I've read the HGH test really hasn't caught many athletes. Hopefully that means that they're just realizing the gains aren't worth the positive test losses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Kool Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 03:46 PM) Hopefully that means that they're just realizing the gains aren't worth the positive test losses. Most likely the opposite, from Will Carroll's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/injuryexpert/sta...734982511329280 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Big Daddy Kool @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:56 PM) Most likely the opposite, from Will Carroll's twitter feed: https://twitter.com/#!/injuryexpert/sta...734982511329280 How does that suggest that it is the opposite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Daddy Kool Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Nov 21, 2011 -> 04:07 PM) How does that suggest that it is the opposite? He doesn't, I am and I am wrong. Reading his feed, Insulin is the biggest PED that no one is doing anything about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman Hear teams over $178M lux tax threshhold will be taxed at 42 pct in 2012, 50 pct in '13. Mainly affects nyy, bos, phil. #MLB, #cba SI_JonHeyman Jon Heyman While there r no hard slots for draft, tax for teams over recommended slots said significant. Also, tax on international signings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Sources: New CBA makes worldwide baseball draft a "significant possibility" by 2014. Incentives in place to negotiate midstream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 DKnobler DKnobler One agent said 100 percent of GMs secretly oppose new draft rules. I'm not sure it's 100, but I think most oppose 49 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply DKnobler DKnobler Many small and mid-market teams see draft/international as only way to compete worry that owners will take that away 55 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Sources: MLB will not conduct in-season tests for HGH unless it has reason to believe a player is using. No random testing at this juncture. Ken_Rosenthal Ken Rosenthal New CBA will expand instant replay to include fair/foul and "trapped" ball plays, subject to discussions between #MLB and umpires. Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Am told that the playoff fields will expand IMMEDIATELY, for 2012. Five teams in each league, with a one-game playoff between two wildcards. On HGH testing: It's TBD when/if it goes into effect. There will be a test of HGH testing in the upcoming spring training. (more) Then, after results of physical reaction to blood testing is determined, the two sides will determine when and how to Players will be blood tested this spring, to determine energy levels after testing; results of testing will be discarded. The blood samples taken next spring training can be tested for HGH; the first offseason testing will start next winter, 2012-2013. TBrownYahoo Tim Brown @Buster_ESPN Results of testing will be "discarded." Heard that before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney ST blood samples that will be taken in '12 will be on non-game days; the game-day samples will be voluntary, discarded, to check reaction. JeffPassan Jeff Passan International bonuses undergoing drastic overhaul. Among the biggest: Starting in 2013-14, teams can trade $ from their international pool. JeffPassan Jeff Passan For example: Worst team in baseball gets $5M to spend internationally. If team doesn't want to spend it all, it can trade $ to another team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan International bonuses undergoing drastic overhaul. Among the biggest: Starting in 2013-14, teams can trade $ from their international pool. 4 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply JeffPassan Jeff Passan For example: Worst team in baseball gets $5M to spend internationally. If team doesn't want to spend it all, it can trade $ to another team. 3 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply JeffPassan Jeff Passan Teams can trade for only 50% more than their international spending cap. So if a team has a $2.5M cap, most it can trade for is $1.25M. 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply Weird. Intriguing too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Teams can trade for only 50% more than their international spending cap. So if a team has a $2.5M cap, most it can trade for is $1.25M. Draft tax is harsh: Teams that go more than 5% over slot get a 75% tax. From 5-10% over, a 75% tax and loss of 1st-round pick the next year. More draft tax: Go 10-15% over, 100% tax and loss of 1st- and 2nd-round picks. 15% and higher is 100% tax and loss of two first-round picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Draft tax is harsh: Teams that go more than 5% over slot get a 75% tax. From 5-10% over, a 75% tax and loss of 1st-round pick the next year. 2 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply JeffPassan Jeff Passan More draft tax: Go 10-15% over, 100% tax and loss of 1st- and 2nd-round picks. 15% and higher is 100% tax and loss of two first-round picks. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 11:59 AM) JeffPassan Jeff Passan Teams can trade for only 50% more than their international spending cap. So if a team has a $2.5M cap, most it can trade for is $1.25M. Draft tax is harsh: Teams that go more than 5% over slot get a 75% tax. From 5-10% over, a 75% tax and loss of 1st-round pick the next year. More draft tax: Go 10-15% over, 100% tax and loss of 1st- and 2nd-round picks. 15% and higher is 100% tax and loss of two first-round picks. Good news for White Sox fans! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Every team will have $2.9M to spend in international bonus money this season. Money is not tradeable this year. 50 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 JeffPassan Jeff Passan Sources: Cubans under 23 years old and with less than three years in pro ball will be considered "amateurs" and count against int'l bonus $. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtySox Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 (edited) Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Before we go congratulating baseball on labor peace, we should maybe worry about just what they did here. This is bad for the future. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Under the rules of the new CBA, Bubba Starling is an option QB at Nebraska, never to be seen on a diamond again. 26 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Waiting to see actually numbers on draft/international caps. It's somewhere between horrible and dreadful. 51 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply Edited November 22, 2011 by DirtySox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 Buster_ESPN Buster Olney Players pushed for tobacco policy that will go into effect: No tobacco products visible in interviews, interaction with fans. JeffPassan Jeff Passan What MLB wanted more than anything with draft is players to get selected in order of talent. MLB believes this system will force that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 22, 2011 Author Share Posted November 22, 2011 QUOTE (DirtySox @ Nov 22, 2011 -> 12:03 PM) Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Before we go congratulating baseball on labor peace, we should maybe worry about just what they did here. This is bad for the future. 1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply Kevin_Goldstein Kevin Goldstein Under the rules of the new CBA, Bubba Starling is an option QB at Nebraska, never to be seen on a diamond again. 26 seconds ago Favorite Retweet Reply I find it odd that no one said that about football or basketball when they put in their rookie salary scales. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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