Rumor: Thome as hitting coach

[Texsox]

Do you promote a worker to manager in a company or hire someone else's manager?

[Balta1701]

Do you promote a worker to manager in a company or hire someone else's manager?

You interview both, look at their resumes and decide based on which is more qualified for the position.

[Texsox]

You interview both, look at their resumes and decide based on which is more qualified for the position.

 

On second thought it's a poor analogy, plus many regular companies just promote from within when they have a good candidate in house.

[Balta1701]

On second thought it's a poor analogy, plus many regular companies just promote from within when they have a good candidate in house.

Anything which suggests that the Sox failed to do their due diligence when hiring Ventura must be a poor analogy.

[witesoxfan]

You're probably right that a majority of managing "Can" be done without ever having been a manager or even bench coach anywhere.

 

The issue is...it clearly is much more likely that a person does those things effectively after other managing experience. Basically, picking a guy with no experience is to me taking the 1 in 100 bet, when maybe 1 in 2 bets were available. The only reason why you'd do the former is if the payout is much, much larger on the former bet...and it's not only hard for me to see how Robin is guaranteed to be a "much larger payout", it's impossible for me to say how you judge that without even interviewing the other guys (and seeing what their odds are).

 

As a preface, I'm a guy that wanted Dave Martinez as manager.

 

Who were you legitimately going to hire as manager? And yes, with regards to this one, I would like examples. The big two or three going around the board were Martinez, Cooper, and Francona. Martinez does not have a good history in Chicago and, due to that history, it's easy to associate him with being an a-hole and perhaps somewhat untrustworthy. That's Ozzie without the belligerence and humor. Perhaps good on the field, but not good with PR. The Sox didn't feel Cooper was capable of managing but felt enough about him to give him an extension. He's still here. Francona has dealt with enough problems in the past 8 months that bringing him in might not only be bad from a management perspective but bad from a personal point of view, perhaps for his health.

 

There are other candidates out there, but I'm perfectly happy with Ventura. If anything, he should understand the importance of NOT bunting. That in itself should add a full win to the Sox.

 

The hiring does deserve criticism, but again, who would you have legitimately hired as manager?

[Balta1701]

I never liked Francona as an option all that much, and would have said absolutely not to Cooper. Martinez and Alomar were 2 guys I at least wanted to see interviewed. If they screwed the interview or clearly were unprepared...fine, then move on...but there's every reason to expect those guys to be effective managers from day 1 right now, and with Ventura I'd call it a roll of the dice. We didn't even do the due diligence on them.

[Milkman delivers]

I never liked Francona as an option all that much, and would have said absolutely not to Cooper. Martinez and Alomar were 2 guys I at least wanted to see interviewed. If they screwed the interview or clearly were unprepared...fine, then move on...but there's every reason to expect those guys to be effective managers from day 1 right now, and with Ventura I'd call it a roll of the dice. We didn't even do the due diligence on them.

 

Hell, you could even make an argument for McEwing.

[southsider2k5]

Hell, you could even make an argument for McEwing.

 

Before things happened the way they did, I would have put my money on him.

[justBLAZE]

Jim Thome intends on playing in 2012 /thread.

 

 

[Texsox]

I never liked Francona as an option all that much, and would have said absolutely not to Cooper. Martinez and Alomar were 2 guys I at least wanted to see interviewed. If they screwed the interview or clearly were unprepared...fine, then move on...but there's every reason to expect those guys to be effective managers from day 1 right now, and with Ventura I'd call it a roll of the dice. We didn't even do the due diligence on them.

 

How many possible MLB managers are out there? Your due diligence would have been to interview these two, would it have included Ventura? Mine would have been Alomar and Mike Jirschele or Marty Brown. You keep criticizing the team for not doing due diligence, but what you are really saying is they didn't interview your candidates.

[Balta1701]

what you are really saying is they didn't interview any candidates.

Fixed.

[Texsox]

Fixed.

 

Do you think they had any discussions about other candidates or just said Oz is gone, hire Ventura? As far as your two candidates that you wanted interviewed, I believe they know enough about Cooper to make a judgement without a formal interview. Hell he negotiated his contract by going over his bosses head, so he and the front office are very comfortable with each other. I'd say Cooper had many informal interviews over the past few years. Plus, they may have actually done something classy and not announced who they interviewed and didn't hire. They didn't come out and say, Hey, we interviewed (insert names here) and they sucked during the interview. Image how Cooper would have felt answering questions about how he failed in the interview.

[Balta1701]

Do you think they had any discussions about other candidates or just said Oz is gone, hire Ventura? As far as your two candidates that you wanted interviewed, I believe they know enough about Cooper to make a judgement without a formal interview. Hell he negotiated his contract by going over his bosses head, so he and the front office are very comfortable with each other. I'd say Cooper had many informal interviews over the past few years. Plus, they may have actually done something classy and not announced who they interviewed and didn't hire. They didn't come out and say, Hey, we interviewed (insert names here) and they sucked during the interview. Image how Cooper would have felt answering questions about how he failed in the interview.

I can't for the life of me figure out why you keep thinking I wanted Cooper interviewed.

 

I'm going to start asking you why you're so mad about Greg Walker not being interviewed for the managerial spot. Sure, you haven't written that you wanted him interviewed, but hey, I never said I wanted Coop interviewed either.