RockRaines Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 10:21 AM) He made $3.5 million last year. The very lowest he could get is $2.8 million. I don't know that I have ever seen that happen. Even if he just gets what he got last year, the Sox aren't the type of team to go through arbitration for that small of a difference (250k) If he is coming back the Sox are picking up his option. If they don't pick it up, they aren't offering arbitration. I'm pretty sure they are picking him up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daggins Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Some team would take a chance on Danks. I think you are overlooking how bad a lot of teams are. He would be competing for a spot on a team like Houston. Oakland would probably take him as well, given how bad their system is and how cheap they are. Basically, he will be protected. He has a legit shot at being the 4th OF next year, if Quentin is moved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 10:23 AM) I'm pretty sure they are picking him up. Picking up his option or bringing him back? The guy is from Chicago and might be willing to accept a more reasonable deal to stick around. I don't how we can afford to pay our third or fourth reliever from the right side $3.75 million when we are looking to cut salary. If they do pick up that option, it's clear as day Thornton won't be returning and we'll be going the cheap, in-house route to replace him. I'm fine with that if you can get a nice return for him and you think Santiago or Leesman can be an adequate replacement. CL: Santos SU: Crain SU: Reed MR: Frasor MR: Ohman MR: Leesman/Santiago LR: Axelrod I could live with that bullpen next year as long as Ohman is used properly (i.e. loogy) and not forced into Thornton's role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) This seems so bizarre That says alot about the Sox ................no organizational meeting since 2007 WTF. Must be because they spent so much in the draft! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 10:49 AM) Picking up his option or bringing him back? The guy is from Chicago and might be willing to accept a more reasonable deal to stick around. I don't how we can afford to pay our third or fourth reliever from the right side $3.75 million when we are looking to cut salary. If they do pick up that option, it's clear as day Thornton won't be returning and we'll be going the cheap, in-house route to replace him. I'm fine with that if you can get a nice return for him and you think Santiago or Leesman can be an adequate replacement. CL: Santos SU: Crain SU: Reed MR: Frasor MR: Ohman MR: Leesman/Santiago LR: Axelrod I could live with that bullpen next year as long as Ohman is used properly (i.e. loogy) and not forced into Thornton's role. Bringing him back. I heard there is mutual interest. If they can do 3.75 for 2 years I would do it if I was him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:57 AM) A defensive replacement on a bad baseball team isn't a valuable piece. You keep throwing the WAR numbers out there, but those are as a starter in AAA. How many ABs do you really think he gets hitting as badly as he has? He'll be an 8th and 9th inning piece for the most part. It is pretty difficult to build up defensive numbers when you play a couple of innings a week. No he threw the WAR number for Gutierrez, not Danks. There are no WAR numbers for minor leaguers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 12:24 PM) No he threw the WAR number for Gutierrez, not Danks. There are no WAR numbers for minor leaguers. This. I'm using a major league comparison for a guy who put up a .530 OPS last year. The Position adjustment is huge for CF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:27 AM) We also have some great right handed bullpen arms in the system. If they are looking to cut costs, it is a great place to look. We can't forget that part of rebuilding is leveraging spare parts. His past results indicate that he'll likely rebound next year, and a good first half makes him a valuable trade commodity at the deadline. Worst case, he probably ends up a type B at the end of the year. At $3.75m, that's foolish to let go, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:16 AM) This seems so bizarre Like saying, "Wow, we really didn't give a s*** for the last 4 years"? Edited October 25, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 01:38 PM) Like say, "Wow, we really didn't give a s*** for the last 4 years"? I think it points to the dysfunction within the organization, probably mostly fueled by Ozzie/KW starting to not get along as much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 09:29 AM) Yeah, I'm pretty sure that was KW's plan. He basically replaces Tony Pena I've thought they would keep Frasor since the day they acquired him. They like the veterans out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 06:38 PM) Like say, "Wow, we really didn't give a s*** for the last 4 years"? It really makes you wonder just what the hell Reinsdorf is thinking and how scary it is how much trust he's put into Kenny and Ozzie, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (fathom @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 01:41 PM) It really makes you wonder just what the hell Reinsdorf is thinking and how scary it is how much trust he's put into Kenny and Ozzie, etc. JR blinded himself, I think that's pretty clear by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (bigruss22 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) No he threw the WAR number for Gutierrez, not Danks. There are no WAR numbers for minor leaguers. Still the point remains he will get something like 100 to 150 ABs, and that is he can stay healthy. Plus his defense isn't supposed to be the best on the planet. It is supposed to be good. There is a big difference there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 02:50 PM) Still the point remains he will get something like 100 to 150 ABs, and that is he can stay healthy. Plus his defense isn't supposed to be the best on the planet. It is supposed to be good. There is a big difference there. But none of those are reasons why you wouldn't pick a guy in the rule 5 draft, especially if you had no other option ready at that position. You pick the guy, he gets hurt or his defense isn't as good as advertised, you let him walk head hung low back to Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 01:51 PM) But none of those are reasons why you wouldn't pick a guy in the rule 5 draft, especially if you had no other option ready at that position. You pick the guy, he gets hurt or his defense isn't as good as advertised, you let him walk head hung low back to Chicago. Not if you know he isn't going to help you at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 03:02 PM) Not if you know he isn't going to help you at all. How on Earth can you tell that a guy isn't going to help at all when he's nearly free and his floor is ~ equal to the guys currently on their roster? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 02:11 PM) How on Earth can you tell that a guy isn't going to help at all when he's nearly free and his floor is ~ equal to the guys currently on their roster? His minor league numbers + the roll he would play on the team? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 03:12 PM) His minor league numbers + the roll he would play on the team? And based on those...there's every reason to believe he would perform at least better than the guys they had as their part-time OF's last year...and it's not unreasonable to expect he could substantially outperform them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 02:23 PM) And based on those...there's every reason to believe he would perform at least better than the guys they had as their part-time OF's last year...and it's not unreasonable to expect he could substantially outperform them. I have no belief of that. As bad as he was as a hitter, and as little as he would actually play as a developing hitter, I don't see any reason to not believe he would be significantly worse than what they had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 03:26 PM) I have no belief of that. As bad as he was as a hitter, and as little as he would actually play as a developing hitter, I don't see any reason to not believe he would be significantly worse than what they had. San Diego got a .230 average, .670 OPS out of their LF position last year. It takes Juan Pierre and Alex Rios to make that look productive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 02:47 PM) San Diego got a .230 average, .670 OPS out of their LF position last year. It takes Juan Pierre and Alex Rios to make that look productive. I really believe Danks wouldn't do that given a 150ish ABs as a primarily late inning defensive replacement. Remember his first season at AAA he hit .245 with a .685 OPS. His first time at Bham was about as bad. Those numbers were put up while playing full time. He wouldn't have the consistent reps this time around. The big hole in his bat will kill him at the major league level when combined with very sporatic playing time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Haha, I can't believe Jordan Danks is the center of so much discussion. I've said it before and will repeat what SS2k5 has already mentioned in this thread. Jordan Danks is only ever mentioned because he is the younger brother of John Danks. He will amount to little, if anything, at the major league level. I couldn't care less if they decide they want to protect him or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 01:50 PM) I really believe Danks wouldn't do that given a 150ish ABs as a primarily late inning defensive replacement. Remember his first season at AAA he hit .245 with a .685 OPS. His first time at Bham was about as bad. Those numbers were put up while playing full time. He wouldn't have the consistent reps this time around. The big hole in his bat will kill him at the major league level when combined with very sporatic playing time. You're not really addressing the fact that there is no downside to taking the risk though. Someone would take the risk on him...that is exactly the point of this draft in the first place... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 26, 2011 Share Posted October 26, 2011 QUOTE (iamshack @ Oct 25, 2011 -> 10:07 PM) You're not really addressing the fact that there is no downside to taking the risk though. Someone would take the risk on him...that is exactly the point of this draft in the first place... No downside risk? Like his completely sucking offensively? I think I hit that one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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