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Texsox Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 I have to go with the elder statesman of the group, Ben Franklin. His diplomacy in securing the French aid during the Revolutionary War was critical, his leadership during the writing of the current Constitution was brilliant. Has he been a few years younger he would have been the first president. Plus he was a player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I can never say anyone but Washington. I will give Franklin his props, though. He invented the coolest weapon of the day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 James Madison, because that's my cat's name. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Y2HH Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Dibs on Hamilton. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (Y2HH @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 07:37 PM) Jefferson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iamshack Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 06:52 PM) I can never say anyone but Washington. Agreed. Washington was viewed practically as a god amongst his peers at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 It was Franklin that convinced Washington to even attend the Constitutional Convention and worked hard to assure George was in charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 09:43 PM) It was Franklin that convinced Washington to even attend the Constitutional Convention and worked hard to assure George was in charge. OK, Washington still had to lead the army to one of the most unforeseen victories ever, and then take the reigns as first president when he could have basically been, in other words, a king. George Washington is the living embodiment of the Roman ideal of Cincinnatus. The perfect kind of leader. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Why isn't Shawn Kemp an option? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gooch Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I voted for Sam Adams because I like his beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 27, 2011 -> 09:46 PM) OK, Washington still had to lead the army to one of the most unforeseen victories ever, and then take the reigns as first president when he could have basically been, in other words, a king. George Washington is the living embodiment of the Roman ideal of Cincinnatus. The perfect kind of leader. To show how all of this is so intertwined, without the involvement from France, which Franklin secured by partying and lobbying, the victory probably doesn't happen. Something I learned last night, Lafayette and Von Steuban where also Freemasons. Washington would be turning over in his grave if he saw our two party system. I wonder really if he would object too much to our involvement around the world. I believe he would have seen the necessity for change from a young weak nation to the superpower we are today and the responsibilities that come with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I got T-Jeff3. Came through in the clutch and didn't slow down after his peak. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 We are the worlds dominant economic power because of the financial system Hamilton developed. A fair number of guys on that list wanted the states to remain agrarian based economies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukeNukeEm Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 OTHER: Ronald Reagan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChiSox_Sonix Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 James Madison 1) Most influential author of the Constitution 2) Wrote the Bill of Rights 3) Co-wrote the Federalist Papers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Picking Washington is like rooting for the Yankees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoSox05 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 T-Paine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 09:31 AM) T-Paine. I think he just went down for the Tommy Jefferson surgery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (GoSox05 @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 08:31 AM) T-Paine. I do loves me some Common Sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlaSoxxJim Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (ChiSox_Sonix @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 09:04 AM) James Madison 1) Most influential author of the Constitution 2) Wrote the Bill of Rights 3) Co-wrote the Federalist Papers ^^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 poor john jay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 05:22 AM) To show how all of this is so intertwined, without the involvement from France, which Franklin secured by partying and lobbying, the victory probably doesn't happen. Something I learned last night, Lafayette and Von Steuban where also Freemasons. Washington would be turning over in his grave if he saw our two party system. I wonder really if he would object too much to our involvement around the world. I believe he would have seen the necessity for change from a young weak nation to the superpower we are today and the responsibilities that come with that. Yes, Franklin obviously did a ton. If there were a ranking, he'd be second for me in a tie with Jefferson and John Adams. But I just can't pick anyone but the father of our country. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 08:07 AM) Picking Washington is like rooting for the Yankees. I completely disagree. At this point, it's the fashionable thing to not pick Washington. It makes you look more intelligent to a regular schmo. QUOTE (bmags @ Oct 28, 2011 -> 11:53 AM) poor john jay. I'm surprised Sam Adams is garnering more votes than John Adams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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