JohnCangelosi Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:38 PM) ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien New Sox hitting coach Jeff Manto on Adam Dunn: "I don't think he lost anything. It's just 1 of those years that happened." LOL. I think this is honestly the first time I've ever heard "just one of those years" in 20+ years of following baseball. I can see "just one of those months" or "just one of those weeks"....but YEARS?!?!??!! Hilarious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baron Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (JohnCangelosi @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) LOL. I think this is honestly the first time I've ever heard "just one of those years" in 20+ years of following baseball. I can see "just one of those months" or "just one of those weeks"....but YEARS?!?!??!! Hilarious. What is he suppose to say? " Adam Dunn is finished the guy cant play anymore"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 Pre Pat Burrell being just absolute trash with a crappy contract, he had one pretty awful year before recovering back to .890 OPS seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 02:04 PM) Yikes, part of Robin's duties as the new manager will be taking over for the CFO? I bet Tim Buzzard SVP of administration is not happy about losing his duties. You're taking this analogy incredibly literally. The point is that he's going from a nobody in the organization to possibly the third most powerful member in the franchise hierarchy. Now, I'm sure you'll mention that each specific stock holder has sway over him or some s***, but I'm fairly certain you and everyone reading this gets the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:33 PM) The bolded has absolutely nothing to do with my posts. Go back and re-read what I said. And Robin has a TON of experience in an MLB clubhouse, McEwing has both playing experience and managerial experience and was also named the top managerial candidate in the Southern league. In 2009 he was named the manager of the year in that league as well. Parent has 4 years of managerial experience as well as 474 games of MLB playing experience. So I take it that NO experience was either based on NO research or based on him not having held the title of manager at the MLB level, kind of like TLR when he was hired by the Sox. If you were going to name the top MLB managers in the modern era: TLR, Torre, Bobby Cox, Sparky Anderson you have less than 10 years of minor league managerial experience between them before they became MLB managers, and roughly 2 years of MLB coaching experience total (other than manager). Then perhaps McEwing should be the bench coach instead of the do-nothing job of 3B coach. And I'm not sure who said Parent has no experience at all. It's been said that he has no major league managing/coaching experience, which a bench coach should probably have when his manager has absolutely no managing experience whatsoever. Edited October 31, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:54 PM) You're taking this analogy incredibly literally. The point is that he's going from a nobody in the organization to possibly the third most powerful member in the franchise hierarchy. Now, I'm sure you'll mention that each specific stock holder has sway over him or some s***, but I'm fairly certain you and everyone reading this gets the point. QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) Then perhaps McEwing should be the bench coach instead of the do-nothing job of 3B coach. And I'm not sure who said Parent has no experience at all. It's been said that he has no major league experience, which a bench coach should probably have when his manager has absolutely no managing experience whatsoever. Let it go. If the Cubs had hired Ventura, Rock would be singing a totally different tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:01 PM) Let it go. If the Cubs had hired Ventura, Rock would be singing a totally different tune. Pointing out the circular logic of people's arguments and that MLB experience as a manager is overrated and unnecessary? Probably not since I dont care about the Cubs as much as the Sox. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 04:57 PM) Then perhaps McEwing should be the bench coach instead of the do-nothing job of 3B coach. And I'm not sure who said Parent has no experience at all. It's been said that he has no major league managing/coaching experience, which a bench coach should probably have when his manager has absolutely no managing experience whatsoever. 3B coaches are only do-nothing if you treat them that way. They are still on the coaching staff and interact with the players on a day to day basis. It was a HUGE upgrade to bring in McEwing over Cox. Being a base coach is how alot of "experienced managers" get their first time gig, like Alan Trammel who is a first time manager's bench coach (Kirk Gibson) and started out as the 1B coach for the Padres before being hired by the Tigers. If Robin goes against most experts opinions and unquestionably fails, I would bet McEwing would be 1st in line for the managers chair. Edited October 31, 2011 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan4life_2007 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:04 PM) Pointing out the circular logic of people's arguments and that MLB experience as a manager is overrated and unnecessary? Probably not since I dont care about the Cubs as much as the Sox. Yet one of the premier GMs in sports was hired on the other side of town and you've made it your mission to mock it. " well, it's the Cubs. This has to suck." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) 3B coaches are only do-nothing if you treat them that way. They are still on the coaching staff and interact with the players on a day to day basis. It was a HUGE upgrade to bring in McEwing over Cox. Being a base coach is how alot of "experienced managers" get their first time gig, like Alan Trammel who is a first time manager's bench coach (Kirk Gibson) and started out as the 1B coach for the Padres before being hired by the Tigers. If Robin goes against most experts opinions and unquestionably fails, I would bet McEwing would be 1st in line for the managers chair. You're taking everything so literally. Obviously the 3B coach has his duties (I've said myself a bunch of times that any coaching experience is a step in the right direction), but compared to the bench coach, it's not nearly as important. I think we both agree that McEwing is better qualified than Parent, so if anything, he should have been given the bench coach position while Parent took 3B duty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chw42 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 01:05 PM) Only in Spring Training, if ever. 2006 and 2007. On Jose Bautista - "If we can get him to replicate his swing three days in a row, Jose Bautista could hit 25 homers a year. In fact, I think he could hit 40. He is just so easily frustrated when it doesn’t go right that he blames himself and forgets what he’s learned. Or ignores it. But of all these guys I have, if you want one of them who will eventually do something special in this game, I’d pick him. I wouldn’t be very surprised." Now this guy is a man of vision... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 03:38 PM) ChuckGarfien Chuck Garfien New Sox hitting coach Jeff Manto on Adam Dunn: "I don't think he lost anything. It's just 1 of those years that happened." I am not going to read too much into this, but I sincerely hope he isn't going to say keep doing what you, it was just one of those years. I believe this was for public consumption and to give Dunn a little confidence. But really, one of those years?! I'd rather he said we're going to take the winter to evaluate, study past film, and identify what is different and get him back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 06:18 PM) I am not going to read too much into this, but I sincerely hope he isn't going to say keep doing what you, it was just one of those years. I believe this was for public consumption and to give Dunn a little confidence. But really, one of those years?! I'd rather he said we're going to take the winter to evaluate, study past film, and identify what is different and get him back on track. Tex, you're not allowed to insinuate that management doesn't know what they're doing on any issue...you know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Jordan4life @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:10 PM) Yet one of the premier GMs in sports was hired on the other side of town and you've made it your mission to mock it. " well, it's the Cubs. This has to suck." I mocked their reactions and expectations, yes. And it does have to suck, since 1908 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max power Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) Four wrongs make a right and four rights make a circle, which is alright with me. Edited October 31, 2011 by MAX Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:18 PM) I am not going to read too much into this, but I sincerely hope he isn't going to say keep doing what you, it was just one of those years. I believe this was for public consumption and to give Dunn a little confidence. But really, one of those years?! I'd rather he said we're going to take the winter to evaluate, study past film, and identify what is different and get him back on track. Or say something like they believe they've identified a hole in his swing, and they'll be working on it throughout the offseason and ST. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:12 PM) You're taking everything so literally. Obviously the 3B coach has his duties (I've said myself a bunch of times that any coaching experience is a step in the right direction), but compared to the bench coach, it's not nearly as important. I think we both agree that McEwing is better qualified than Parent, so if anything, he should have been given the bench coach position while Parent took 3B duty. I honestly do not know the difference nor the specific duties of a bench coach vs a 3B coach, at least not enough to make assumptions on who is more effective where. He has surrounded himself with a great managerial candidate in Mcewing and then picked a former catcher to be his bench coach who has 2 years of successful minor league manager experience in a very good organization. BTW, the "favorite" candidate for the Manager's position, Dave Martinez, has ZERO years experience managing at any level. Edited October 31, 2011 by RockRaines Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:19 PM) Tex, you're not allowed to insinuate that management doesn't know what they're doing on any issue...you know that. I don't think he is controlling the message very well, which is different than not believing he is fixing Dunn's problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:21 PM) Or say something like they believe they've identified holes in his swing, and they'll be working on it throughout the offseason and ST. fixed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 06:27 PM) I don't think he is controlling the message very well, which is different than not believing he is fixing Dunn's problems. Oh, so now you have a problem with a person on the coaching staff who makes a public decision that you find to be incorrect. And yet it's impossible to think that management may have made a mistake by hiring people who weren't up to the job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:29 PM) Oh, so now you have a problem with a person on the coaching staff who makes a public decision that you find to be incorrect. And yet it's impossible to think that management may have made a mistake by hiring people who weren't up to the job. tex circles the minnow slowly, it looks tasty, smells nice, he is a little hungry and could use a series of posts to boost that post total. As he hovers he suddenly sees the shiny hook in the bait and slowly fins past. Maybe SS will play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (RockRaines @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:22 PM) I honestly do not know the difference nor the specific duties of a bench coach vs a 3B coach, at least not enough to make assumptions on who is more effective where. He has surrounded himself with a great managerial candidate in Mcewing and then picked a former catcher to be his bench coach who has 2 years of successful minor league manager experience in a very good organization. BTW, the "favorite" candidate for the Manager's position, Dave Martinez, has ZERO years experience managing at any level. I have said over and over again that experience can come in the form of managing in the minors and being a coach in the majors. Mark Parent would be a fine bench coach, if the manager were a veteran that could teach him. But when your manager has literally no managing experience at any level of professional baseball, then the bench coach should be someone with managing/coaching experience at the major league level. Edited October 31, 2011 by Milkman delivers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 A. I don't think a group of guys that have spent their adult lives in a dugout are going to be overwhelmed by the daunting decisions that happen during a baseball game. OMG...should we hit and run? I can't take it. Do we pull this pitcher? Maybe they can poll the audience. We'll make sure they don't f*** up. B. If they think Dunn simply had an off year, then they aren't doing their homework. I don't watch much NL ball, but I can't believe he was missing so many balls by a foot or more prior to last year. He's all kinds of f***ed up. Like, me riding my bike home on a Friday night f***ed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) A. I don't think a group of guys that have spent their adult lives in a dugout are going to be overwhelmed by the daunting decisions that happen during a baseball game. OMG...should we hit and run? I can't take it. Do we pull this pitcher? Maybe they can poll the audience. We'll make sure they don't f*** up. B. If they think Dunn simply had an off year, then they aren't doing their homework. I don't watch much NL ball, but I can't believe he was missing so many balls by a foot or more prior to last year. He's all kinds of f***ed up. Like, me riding my bike home on a Friday night f***ed up. So, they could have hired absolutely anybody who has played for a reasonable amount of time, and it's an OK move? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted October 31, 2011 Share Posted October 31, 2011 QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Oct 31, 2011 -> 05:41 PM) I have said over and over again that experience can come in the form of managing in the minors and being a coach in the majors. Mark Parent would be a fine bench coach, if the manager were a veteran that could teach him. But when your manager has literally no managing experience at any level of professional baseball, then the bench coach should be someone with managing/coaching experience at the major league level. I am fine with hiring Robin, but I wish they had someone with some experience as a manager on the bench with him. But, who? Some washed up manager who can't get hired for the #1 anymore? Another team's version of Bevington or Manuel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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