EvilMonkey Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) Which if it is a team philosophy can be useful. If you have one or two guys working the count and the remainder of the lineup swinging at the first close pitch they see, the walk is not effective. Boston and New York are successful because they can tax a good starter and get them out with the philosophy of fighting off good pitches and taking a ton of pitches. If Adam Dunn looks at a strike down the middle on 2-0 and gets a walk to get to the OPS terrible Alex Rios, this idea has failed. You have to have a team of OPS focused players not just a couple sprinkled in here and there. When Frank Thomas and Ray Durham were in sync it worked to perfection when Julio Franco was there to protect them. When Dan Pasqua was there to protect them, it did not work that well. NY and Boston don't have as big a drop off in production from 1 thru 9 as most other teams do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Alpha Dog @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:12 AM) NY and Boston don't have as big a drop off in production from 1 thru 9 as most other teams do. Which is why this philosophy can work for them and not for every team which the cubs will find out soon enough as have the A's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 10:58 AM) Which if it is a team philosophy can be useful. If you have one or two guys working the count and the remainder of the lineup swinging at the first close pitch they see, the walk is not effective. Boston and New York are successful because they can tax a good starter and get them out with the philosophy of fighting off good pitches and taking a ton of pitches. If Adam Dunn looks at a strike down the middle on 2-0 and gets a walk to get to the OPS terrible Alex Rios, this idea has failed. You have to have a team of OPS focused players not just a couple sprinkled in here and there. When Frank Thomas and Ray Durham were in sync it worked to perfection when Julio Franco was there to protect them. When Dan Pasqua was there to protect them, it did not work that well. Julio Franco never protected Ray Durham. Neither did Pasqua. Cora, yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:22 AM) Julio Franco never protected Ray Durham. Neither did Pasqua. Cora, yes. Sorry I meant Raines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:24 AM) Sorry I meant Raines. if you ever do that again you are done here. banned. forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 Raines protected everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 05:37 PM) Raines protected everyone. Except hiimself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Except hiimself Mostly just his nose went unprotected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (bmags @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:45 AM) Except hiimself 808 stolen bases 808 grams of crack cocaine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Chappas Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 11:26 AM) if you ever do that again you are done here. banned. forever. come on hawk loved to watch both of them run...stocky switch hitting black gentleman...easy mistake...not like confusing the one dog with either of them.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 12:01 PM) come on hawk loved to watch both of them run...stocky switch hitting black gentleman...easy mistake...not like confusing the one dog with either of them.. I'm pretty sure Franco wasn't a switch hitter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milkman delivers Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 And trust me, I tried quite a few times Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorStSox Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 You want impact players to make an impact, especially in big situations. During a crucial AB, most umps are going to give the pitcher the benefit on pitches an inch off the corner. You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Texsox Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 08:04 AM) If you plug the result into Google, there are 156 results that pop up with this quote. They didn't just make it up. Right, but the other stuff is one of their posters. Plus the quote is 5 years old and speaking about a specific player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
witesoxfan Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (HickoryHuskers @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 07:13 AM) The problem with Frank's approach to hitting is that it only works for somebody with Frank's talent. ‘‘No doubt I can look at the swings of other players and see things. ‘My style was my style, but the bottom line is getting the hands in the right position, the body in the right position, putting your head on the ball and making a good swing. I don’t care if you’re two feet, one feet, hands up, hands down. You just have to get to that same spot and make it work.’’ -Frank Thomas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eminor3rd Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (TaylorStSox @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 01:07 PM) You want impact players to make an impact, especially in big situations. During a crucial AB, most umps are going to give the pitcher the benefit on pitches an inch off the corner. You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs. Impact players don't make an impact by swinging at bad pitches. And wtf does 'You have to earn runs, especially in the playoffs' mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigruss Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 01:31 PM) ‘‘No doubt I can look at the swings of other players and see things. ‘My style was my style, but the bottom line is getting the hands in the right position, the body in the right position, putting your head on the ball and making a good swing. I don’t care if you’re two feet, one feet, hands up, hands down. You just have to get to that same spot and make it work.’’ -Frank Thomas Any hitting coach should know that, from little league to MLB, that's what they preach as the basics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 05:02 AM) Just a reminder this was off southsidesox another internet message board. We're accepting it as correct. It's the same as taking a post from anyone here that includes a old quote from somebody which may or may not be accurate. I know it's the off season and we ware looking for anything to discuss, but this stuff becomes legend and pretty soon we all "know" what Manto is trying to do when in reality it's just some guy posting on an message board writing a feature post on what he believes Manto is trying to do. Southsidesox is not a message board, it's a blog. And a damn good one at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 03:45 PM) Southsidesox is not a message board, it's a blog run by our old friend The Cheat who's damn good at what he does. I thought Cheat got run off, and it was someone else now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 03:47 PM) I thought Cheat got run off, and it was someone else now? That's right Jim Margalus from Sox Machine is running SSS, brain fart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 03:55 PM) That's right Jim Margalus from Sox Machine is running SSS, brain fart. Ok, yeah. As a matter of a fact, I am pretty sure he wrote that article. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 IS JEFF MANTO THIS DUMB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 So Jeff Manto's silly little stat -- (R+RBI-HR)/G -- tweaked to account for the fact that a HR earns you both a run and an RBI as opposed to just one or the other -- (R+RBI-(HR*2))/G -- when calculated for last year's team looks something like this: 0.815 De Aza 0.797 Pierre 0.766 Ramirez 0.752 Konerko 0.695 Quentin 0.566 Rios 0.560 Beckham 0.543 Pierzynski 0.517 Viciedo 0.516 Morel 0.500 Flowers 0.459 Dunn 0.448 Vizquel 0.423 Lillibridge 0.314 Teahen Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 04:25 PM) Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. Apparently we've learned that Juan Pierre > Paul Konerko, which is absolutely outstanding. This stat must not include defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 2, 2011 Share Posted November 2, 2011 QUOTE (Kalapse @ Nov 2, 2011 -> 10:25 PM) So Jeff Manto's silly little stat -- (R+RBI-HR)/G -- tweaked to account for the fact that a HR earns you both a run and an RBI as opposed to just one or the other -- (R+RBI-(HR*2))/G -- when calculated for last year's team looks something like this: 0.815 De Aza 0.797 Pierre 0.766 Ramirez 0.752 Konerko 0.695 Quentin 0.566 Rios 0.560 Beckham 0.543 Pierzynski 0.517 Viciedo 0.516 Morel 0.500 Flowers 0.459 Dunn 0.448 Vizquel 0.423 Lillibridge 0.314 Teahen Now, what have we learned? Absolutely nothing. We've learned what the batting order was last year. And that Dunn was awful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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