Penn State horror story

[Soxbadger]

Journey,

 

Do you agree that charging papers are entirely different in factual nature as compared to a transcript?

[iamshack]

So you're alleging what here, that no one has read the easily available grand jury report, or that the grand jury report is lies created by a grand jury determined to destroy Joe Paterno?

He's pointing out the information in the report is unreliable.

 

 

[Balta1701]

I'm just confused as to how there is not any outrage by the student or the student's father that Sandusky was actually recruiting for PSU still.

 

Did you not find that odd?

 

They were more upset that he had to cross the school off their lists, seemingly.

 

If true, Paterno and the rest of the staff, as well as the Administration and President, etc., really have absolutely no defense at this point.

 

I'm going to wait to see if this gets picked up by anyone else before I fully believe it though.

Look at the source in that article. That is an actual recruit, by name, on the record, saying that Sandusky was part of him being recruited.

 

That's as clean-cut of a sourcing as you'll ever get. The kid has no motivation to lie there, and he's on the record so if somehow he was lying, that'd be a bad thing for him as a future football player.

[Soxbadger]

Iamshack,

 

Honestly you shouldnt even bother, otherwise your just going to be lumped with me.

[iamshack]

Look at the source in that article. That is an actual recruit, by name, on the record, saying that Sandusky was part of him being recruited.

 

That's as clean-cut of a sourcing as you'll ever get. The kid has no motivation to lie there, and he's on the record so if somehow he was lying, that'd be a bad thing for him as a future football player.

Gee, whiz, thanks Balta.

 

My point was I want to see someone actually point out that Sandusky is representing PSU and not just out on some perverted trip of his own. Just because he's paying HS kids a visit and asking them to go to PSU doesn't mean he's recruiting for PSU.

 

 

[clyons]

Journey,

 

Do you agree that charging papers are entirely different in factual nature as compared to a transcript?

 

Certainly, the former are allegations. The latter is testimony; sworn testimony, but testimony that is "led" and not subjected to cross-examination.

[whitesoxfan101]

Gee, whiz, thanks Balta.

 

My point was I want to see someone actually point out that Sandusky is representing PSU and not just out on some perverted trip of his own. Just because he's paying HS kids a visit and asking them to go to PSU doesn't mean he's recruiting for PSU.

 

You think he'd just be doing that on his own?! Almost impossible. The most amazing thing about this is McQueary is their recruiting coordinator. So he knew the guy he saw rape a child in the shower 9 years ago was still recruiting for the school, if this recruit in South Carolina is telling the truth. And what motivation would he have to lie?

[iamshack]

http://www.sportsbybrooks.com/prospect-san...r-in-2011-29898

The idiots in this local news broadcast don't seem to have a clue how big of a part of this story they are breaking.

[RockRaines]

Gee, whiz, thanks Balta.

 

My point was I want to see someone actually point out that Sandusky is representing PSU and not just out on some perverted trip of his own. Just because he's paying HS kids a visit and asking them to go to PSU doesn't mean he's recruiting for PSU.

It was said he was hand delivering letters from Assistant coach McQueary

[Soxbadger]

Journey,

 

Thanks, just wanted to make sure that I wasnt completely crazy.

 

 

[StrangeSox]

Journey,

 

Thanks, just wanted to make sure that I wasnt completely crazy.

 

FWIW I understand your point and think it is a valuable one.

[Palehosefan]

The idiots in this local news broadcast don't seem to have a clue how big of a part of this story they are breaking.

 

Quote from the recruit.

 

"Penn State has sent me letters throughout my junior year … He (Sandusky) came to my last spring game going into my senior season. He liked how I moved, laterally, and how gifted I am.”

 

 

But seriously, Penn State using illegal recruiters as well? Least of their worries right now, I know.

Edited November 11, 2011 by Palehosefan

[iamshack]

You think he'd just be doing that on his own?! Almost impossible. The most amazing thing about this is McQueary is their recruiting coordinator. So he knew the guy he saw rape a child in the shower 9 years ago was still recruiting for the school, if this recruit in South Carolina is telling the truth. And what motivation would he have to lie?

I didn't say I think he'd be doing it on his own.

 

But if he was really recruiting for PSU, with McQueary working alongside him, then that absolutely means that not only did everyone at PSU cover this up, but it means that they actively used him for their benefit, meanwhile, placing him around other male minors.

 

Up until now it's only been stated that he has been seen around campus, etc., but nothing where you could really say PSU continued to use him in their employ. And not only did they use him in their employ, but they continued to do so in a way so as to place him near more minors.

 

That is a pretty huge nail in their coffin, if you ask me, and yet this news station seems to have no clue of the importance of the story they are breaking.

 

Which is really the only reason I questioned whether Sandusky was actually recruiting on behalf of PSU in an official capacity still.

Edited November 11, 2011 by iamshack

[whitesoxfan101]

I didn't say I think he'd be doing it on his own.

 

But if he was really recruiting for PSU, with McQueary working alongside him, then that absolutely means that not only did everyone at PSU cover this up, but it means that they actively used him for their benefit, meanwhile, placing him around other male minors.

 

Up until now it's only been stated that he has been seen around campus, etc., but nothing where you could really say PSU continued to use him in their employ. And not only did they use him in their employ, but they continued to do so in a way so as to place him near more minors.

 

That is a pretty huge nail in their coffin, if you ask me, and yet this news station seems to have no clue of the importance of the story they are breaking.

 

Which is really the only reason I questioned whether Sandusky was actually recruiting on behalf of PSU still.

 

Ahh, alright. Well I completely agree with you here. I can't even imagine how more ugly this is going to be if that part of the story is true.

[Milkman delivers]

It was said he was hand delivering letters from Assistant coach McQueary

 

This is getting absurd.

[StrangeSox]

I didn't say I think he'd be doing it on his own.

 

But if he was really recruiting for PSU, with McQueary working alongside him, then that absolutely means that not only did everyone at PSU cover this up, but it means that they actively used him for their benefit, meanwhile, placing him around other male minors.

 

Up until now it's only been stated that he has been seen around campus, etc., but nothing where you could really say PSU continued to use him in their employ. And not only did they use him in their employ, but they continued to do so in a way so as to place him near more minors.

 

That is a pretty huge nail in their coffin, if you ask me, and yet this news station seems to have no clue of the importance of the story they are breaking.

 

Which is really the only reason I questioned whether Sandusky was actually recruiting on behalf of PSU in an official capacity still.

 

I'm still trying to give PSU as much benefit of the doubt wrt "massive pedophilia coverup" but that keeps getting harder and harder.

[Kyyle23]

I didn't say I think he'd be doing it on his own.

 

But if he was really recruiting for PSU, with McQueary working alongside him, then that absolutely means that not only did everyone at PSU cover this up, but it means that they actively used him for their benefit, meanwhile, placing him around other male minors.

 

Up until now it's only been stated that he has been seen around campus, etc., but nothing where you could really say PSU continued to use him in their employ. And not only did they use him in their employ, but they continued to do so in a way so as to place him near more minors.

 

That is a pretty huge nail in their coffin, if you ask me, and yet this news station seems to have no clue of the importance of the story they are breaking.

 

Which is really the only reason I questioned whether Sandusky was actually recruiting on behalf of PSU still.

 

Did you watch the press conference when Paterno and Spanier were dismissed? The questions were amateur hour questions, the student newspaper beat writers and local guys couldnt get past "Joe has been here for 60 years" and grasp the reason why it was happening. They were outraged Paterno was fired, there was no questions about the coverup, no questions about Sandusky, no questions about the kids affected. It was all Paterno. It doesnt surprise me that the local channels dont have a clue about the news they are breaking

[RockRaines]

Mcqueary has also been delivering letters to recruits of other Big Ten schools like OSU and Mich stating that PSU has been scandal free for 45 years.

[Milkman delivers]

Mcqueary has also been delivering letters to recruits of other Big Ten schools like OSU and Mich stating that PSU has been scandal free for 45 years.

 

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?...20the%20Thunder

[Soxbadger]

If Sandusky was really recruiting, we arent even talking cover up. This is just mind blowing stupidity. The investigation has been going on for months, at minimum you suspend the guy during an investigation.

[RockRaines]

Mcqueary has also been delivering letters to recruits of other Big Ten schools like OSU and Mich stating that PSU has been scandal free for 45 years.

Sent to a Michigan Recruit:

 

 

[iamshack]

If Sandusky was really recruiting, we arent even talking cover up. This is just mind blowing stupidity. The investigation has been going on for months, at minimum you suspend the guy during an investigation.

That's what I am confused about.

 

If you read everything that's out there, you can see a series of events where it was realized Sandusky was abusing children, the University found out, but was too afraid to report things correctly due to the impending fallout, both legally, and of course, to their reputation. So instead, they force Sandusky to retire, and supposedly ban him from bringing children to campus. They admit in the GJ report however, that this ban was unenforceable. They did however, make him a Professor Emeritus, and guarantee him access to the campus while he is retired, as well as a parking spot, and other fringe benefits.

 

What doesn't make sense is, if they did indeed want to cover this all up, why would they give anything to Sandusky at all? Why not kick him out on the street and disallow all access to the University altogether? Did he threaten to go to the press and incriminate himself and the PSU coverup without these benefits the University gave him?

 

I just can't make any sense of it at all, except that PSU covers this up and Sandusky then blackmails them into giving him access to the campus, and this tug of war goes back and forth until Sandusky finally gets busted for the final time and all the facts come out, exposing everyone.

[RockRaines]

Former PSU players donate money to help Jerry Sandusky fund his defense team:

 

http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/breaking-n...te_players.html

[StrangeSox]

That's what I am confused about.

 

If you read everything that's out there, you can see a series of events where it was realized Sandusky was abusing children, the University found out, but was too afraid to report things correctly due to the impending fallout, both legally, and of course, to their reputation. So instead, they force Sandusky to retire, and supposedly ban him from bringing children to campus. They admit in the GJ report however, that this ban was unenforceable. They did however, make him a Professor Emeritus, and guarantee him access to the campus while he is retired, as well as a parking spot, and other fringe benefits.

 

What doesn't make sense is, if they did indeed want to cover this all up, why would they give anything to Sandusky at all? Why not kick him out on the street and disallow all access to the University altogether? Did he threaten to go to the press and incriminate himself and the PSU coverup without these benefits the University gave him?

 

I just can't make any sense of it at all, except that PSU covers this up and Sandusky then blackmails them into giving him access to the campus, and this tug of war goes back and forth until Sandusky finally gets busted for the final time and all the facts come out, exposing everyone.

 

Sandusky's leverage involves him going to jail for life, where he'll be treated harshly, to put it mildly.

 

I can't make good sense of this mess right now.

[RockRaines]

What doesn't make sense is, if they did indeed want to cover this all up, why would they give anything to Sandusky at all? Why not kick him out on the street and disallow all access to the University altogether? Did he threaten to go to the press and incriminate himself and the PSU coverup without these benefits the University gave him?

 

I just can't make any sense of it at all, except that PSU covers this up and Sandusky then blackmails them into giving him access to the campus, and this tug of war goes back and forth until Sandusky finally gets busted for the final time and all the facts come out, exposing everyone.

I wouldnt be surprised to see ol Jerry start releasing some dirt he had on those guys. He either blackmailed the s*** out of them or they are genuinely stupid.