Penn State horror story

[Balta1701]

There was apparently eye witnesses who work for the rich boosters and saw it happen on private planes.

And those eyewitnesses would be liable for failing to report, if they ever came forward.

[The Gooch]

And those eyewitnesses would be liable for failing to report, if they ever came forward.

 

But if there is any sort of evidence at all, they could be forced to testify.

[iamshack]

Its unusual because generally the argument for penalties are that the athletic team got some sort of tangible benefit from the bad behavior. It is also unusual because generally the NCAA does not suspend schools merely for a coaching/administrator breaking the law, in a way that is unrelated to sports (Bobby Petrino Arkansas, etc.)

 

I think there is a legitimate question why the NCAA is involved at all. The only connection to the NCAA is it happened on PSU property. It literally has nothing to do with competition or anything that the NCAA normally governs.

 

I have no idea, Im not even sure a school has ever sued the NCAA. There are probably hundreds of thousands of documents that govern this, Ive seen 0. This is purely theoretical.

Well, Sandusky took kids to NCAA bowl games...the entire basis for Sandusky being able to do this revolved around the fact that he coached at an NCAA Division 1 football school. It has everything to do with the NCAA...

[Quin]

I hate humanity.

[Soxbadger]

Well, Sandusky took kids to NCAA bowl games...the entire basis for Sandusky being able to do this revolved around the fact that he coached at an NCAA Division 1 football school. It has everything to do with the NCAA...

 

That is an extreme reach.

 

He wasnt taking these kids to bowl games to recruit them to PSU, he was taking them to commit sodomy, which is a crime in the United States. This in comparison to boosters, illegal benefits, illegal contact, which the NCAA generally governs, because it is not against US law.

 

I really dont care that much to be honest.

 

 

[RockRaines]

But if there is any sort of evidence at all, they could be forced to testify.

They'll get immunity to testify Im sure.

[iamshack]

That is an extreme reach.

 

He wasnt taking these kids to bowl games to recruit them to PSU, he was taking them to commit sodomy, which is a crime in the United States. This in comparison to boosters, illegal benefits, illegal contact, which the NCAA generally governs, because it is not against US law.

 

I really dont care that much to be honest.

It seems really odd that you would take that position...but I don't really care either.

[Milkman delivers]

I hate humanity.

 

Dude, seriously, stop with the melodrama. These are the actions of a minuscule portion of humanity. The almost unfathomable majority is against this stuff and doing what it can to put those responsible in jail.

[G&T]

Dude, seriously, stop with the melodrama. These are the actions of a minuscule portion of humanity. The almost unfathomable majority is against this stuff and doing what it can to put those responsible in jail.

 

Having spent time in a Special Victim's Unit at a DA's office, I can tell you it's a bigger problem than you realize.

[Quin]

Dude, seriously, stop with the melodrama. These are the actions of a minuscule portion of humanity. The almost unfathomable majority is against this stuff and doing what it can to put those responsible in jail.

 

On the other hand, when good things happen I say that I love humanity.

 

I'm the Gavin Floyd of opinions on humanity.

[Milkman delivers]

On the other hand, when good things happen I say that I love humanity.

 

I'm the Gavin Floyd of opinions on humanity.

 

Good description. And G&T, they're still incredibly outnumbered by good and decent people.

Edited August 15, 2012 by Milkman delivers

[G&T]

Good description. And G&T, they're still incredibly outnumbered by good and decent people.

 

You used the word minuscule.

[greg775]

Milk is a cop, so he would know about the mind of the criminal. It's good to know after all the crime in Chicago he still thinks humanity is good.

Hey Milk, do you know a lot of Mt. Greenwood cops and firemen? My old neighborhood? Are they tough MFs?

[LittleHurt05]

Excerpt from Joe Posnanski's upcoming Paterno book

 

In the summer of 2011, Penn State football coach Joe Paterno allowed the journalist Joe Posnanski, then a senior writer for Sports Illustrated, to join him in State College, Pennsylvania, to spend the upcoming season writing his biography. This afforded Posnanski access to Paterno and his inner circle as the Jerry Sandusky scandal engulfed the campus and the nation. The September 2012 issue of GQ, on newsstands now, features an exclusive excerpt of Posnanski's biography, Paterno. The full excerpt will be published here on GQ.com on Monday, August 20. Paterno will be available in bookstores the next day. As a preview, here are three brief selections from GQ's excerpt:

 

Paterno's son, Scott, reads the grand jury case against Sandusky for the first time:

 

Scott Paterno was the first in the family to understand that the Pennsylvania grand jury presentment that indicted Jerry Sandusky could end his father's career. This wasn't surprising; Scott tended to be the most realistic—or cynical, depending on who you asked—in the family. He had run for Congress and lost and along the way tasted the allure and nastiness of public life. He had worked as a lawyer and as a lobbyist. He would sometimes tell people, "Hey, don't kid yourself, I'm the asshole of the family." When Scott read the presentment, he called his father and said, "Dad, you have to face the possibility that you will never coach another game."

 

As the Sandusky scandal explodes, the Paterno family hires a high-powered PR specialist, Dan McGinn, to help navigate the storm:

 

This is when McGinn learned just how far Paterno's influence and reputation had fallen. He asked [family adviser Guido] D'Elia for the name of one person on the Penn State board of trustees, just one, whom they could reach out to, to negotiate a gracious ending. D'Elia shook his head.

 

"One person on the board, that's all we need," McGinn said.

 

D'Elia shook his head again. "It began in 2004," he whispered, referring to an old clash Paterno had with [university president Graham] Spanier. "The board started to turn. We don't have anybody on the board now."

 

That's when McGinn realized that this was going to be the worst day of Joe Paterno's professional life.

 

At Paterno's house the day after he is fired via late-night telephone call from the Penn State board of trustees:

 

On Thursday, Paterno met with his coaches at his house. He sobbed uncontrollably. This was his bad day. Later, one of his former captains, Brandon Short, stopped by the house. When Brandon asked, "How are you doing, Coach?" Paterno answered, "I'm okay," but the last syllable was shaky, muffled by crying, and then he broke down and said, "I don't know what I'm going to do with myself." Nobody knew how to handle such emotion. Joe had always seemed invulnerable. On Thursday, though, he cried continually.

 

"My name," he told Jay, "I have spent my whole life trying to make that name mean something. And now it's gone."

[RockRaines]

I'm glad you cried Joe, but you cried for only personal reasons which is bulls*** you selfish prick.

[Milkman delivers]

You used the word minuscule.

 

On the scale of all of humanity, yes, I'd still say their percentages are minuscule.

 

And no, greg. Don't know any. Sorry.

[greg775]

I'm glad you cried Joe, but you cried for only personal reasons which is bulls*** you selfish prick.

 

Well said.

I mean unless JoePa had senility, he had to know this Sandusky thing always had the possibility of being revealed in the future. Why did Sandusky "resign" in his 50s when he was healthy and an icon and still hanging around the football offices? To me, it's pretty obvious they told him he was out cause of all this stuff brewing. You are right, Joe cried for selfish reasons. These power hungry college icons who reach the top only have yes men around them telling them how great they are. Joe used his powerful name to hang onto that job into his 80s for gosh sakes. That school was a laughingstock for not getting Paterno to retire at a reasonable age. Selfish selfish man. He was stripped of all those victories which was probably the best decision in NCAA history.

Edited August 15, 2012 by greg775

[G&T]

On the scale of all of humanity, yes, I'd still say their percentages are minuscule.

 

I supposed that depends on your definition, but I think you underestimate the number of pedophiles out there. I think almost everyone does. Is 5% minuscule? 3%? Think of that in the Chicago area.

 

I remember by boss at the DA telling me about getting involved in Special Victims and how his impression was that child molesters and pedophiles were rare, like 1 in a million. But that wasn't the case. He turns to me and says "they are everywhere."

 

My point in saying this isn't to be right about some semantic argument. It's to remind people to be aware. Minimizing the problem is dangerous.

[Quin]

I'm glad you cried Joe, but you cried for only personal reasons which is bulls*** you selfish prick.

 

This.

 

I supposed that depends on your definition, but I think you underestimate the number of pedophiles out there. I think almost everyone does. Is 5% minuscule? 3%? Think of that in the Chicago area.

 

I remember by boss at the DA telling me about getting involved in Special Victims and how his impression was that child molesters and pedophiles were rare, like 1 in a million. But that wasn't the case. He turns to me and says "they are everywhere."

 

My point in saying this isn't to be right about some semantic argument. It's to remind people to be aware. Minimizing the problem is dangerous.

 

Yup, the other day my friend called and said her half-sister was claiming to be physically abused by a drunken mother and sexually abused by her step-dad. Didn't believe it was true until I talked to the sister.

 

The sister called me today in tears that no one believed her. She said twice she was drunk when he abused her and once not, and he tried to rape her one of the times. Told her mom. She did nothing.

[G&T]

Yup, the other day my friend called and said her half-sister was claiming to be physically abused by a drunken mother and sexually abused by her step-dad. Didn't believe it was true until I talked to the sister.

 

The sister called me today in tears that no one believed her. She said twice she was drunk when he abused her and once not, and he tried to rape her one of the times. Told her mom. She did nothing.

 

Police. Call them.

 

This has always been the problem I've had with everyone dumping on McQuery. "If I saw that I woulda killed him!" they all say. No. Most people wouldn't have believed it because the problem is always minimized.

 

 

[Quin]

Police. Call them.

 

This has always been the problem I've had with everyone dumping on McQuery. "If I saw that I woulda killed him!" they all say. No. Most people wouldn't have believed it because the problem is always minimized.

 

I only found out after she told a psychiatrist who called DCFS. Her sisters are being mean to her (she recently moved in with her dad because her mother was being verbally abusive) as they don't believe her, considering it was so long ago.

 

I've been crying most of the day because I'm not back home to help her. She lived right down the street from me.

 

Had I known before, cops would have been called immediately.

[Milkman delivers]

I supposed that depends on your definition, but I think you underestimate the number of pedophiles out there. I think almost everyone does. Is 5% minuscule? 3%? Think of that in the Chicago area.

 

I remember by boss at the DA telling me about getting involved in Special Victims and how his impression was that child molesters and pedophiles were rare, like 1 in a million. But that wasn't the case. He turns to me and says "they are everywhere."

 

My point in saying this isn't to be right about some semantic argument. It's to remind people to be aware. Minimizing the problem is dangerous.

 

I didn't mean to minimize it, exactly.

[RockRaines]

Read, and Puke

 

 

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/08/this-...9-and-1980.html

[cabiness42]

Read, and Puke

 

 

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/08/this-...9-and-1980.html

 

Based on this story, the disappearance of that DA, and other stuff that's been written about this story, I have no doubt that Sandusky is just the tip of the iceberg and that this probably involves some very powerful people in the world of politics and organized crime. That also probably means that we will never see true justice.

 

[Quin]

Read, and Puke

 

 

http://www.crossingbroad.com/2012/08/this-...9-and-1980.html

 

This is the never ending nightmare.

 

My god. I can't even begin to stomach that.