LittleHurt05 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 News reports coming out of Philly that Paterno will not coach another game for PSU. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balta1701 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Tex @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:30 PM) But we fire and destroy a career and reputation of anyone he might have told about it. God, we're screwed up in this country. Yeah, I'd say that sounds like a fair reply to failing to act to prevent the rape of a few dozen kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 I think we also have to recognize that Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty. A grand jury indictment is not even close to a conviction. This is just to be devils advocate, but what happens if it turns out that Sandusky is innocent? It would be a lot different if Sandusky was convicted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 JoePa is out, assistant coach Tom Bradley is interim head coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Just turned on ESPN and saw it. Glad someone came to their senses. This was the only acceptable outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleHurt05 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 PSU president Graham Spanier is out as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 The only acceptable outcome is to railroad some one on a grand jury indictment, where they arent even charged with a crime? Where they didnt even see the crime? Where they only heard about it a day after it happened and reported it to their superiors for further investigation? I think there are a lot of other acceptable outcomes and some of them include not rushing to judgment. I personally think Paterno is done as a coach, but to fire him over this is just an excuse to get rid of the guy. If he was 30 years younger and in his prime, this story has a way different outcome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) The only acceptable outcome is to railroad some one on a grand jury indictment, where they arent even charged with a crime? Where they didnt even see the crime? Where they only heard about it a day after it happened and reported it to their superiors for further investigation? I think there are a lot of other acceptable outcomes and some of them include not rushing to judgment. I personally think Paterno is done as a coach, but to fire him over this is just an excuse to get rid of the guy. If he was 30 years younger and in his prime, this story has a way different outcome. Doubt it. Nor should it make a difference. Edited November 10, 2011 by IlliniKrush Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 (edited) It absolutely should make a difference. Paterno is an old man, he cant fight this. If he was 30 years younger, you think he goes down this way? At worst the guy made a significant error in judgment that is completely unrelated to his job. At minimum he deserves some sort of investigation/hearing where he can speak with PSU about what actions he took and whether or not he followed the rules of the school. Because he did nothing wrong legally (based on the current facts, which is why its way to early because grand juries are jokes, basically anything can be used as evidence, regardless of the whether it could be used at trial). Edited November 10, 2011 by Soxbadger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G&T Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 10:13 PM) I think we also have to recognize that Sandusky is innocent until proven guilty. A grand jury indictment is not even close to a conviction. This is just to be devils advocate, but what happens if it turns out that Sandusky is innocent? It would be a lot different if Sandusky was convicted. Is that why there have been no denials and everyone is being fired? There are going to be plenty of false reports coming in soon but this guy is not innocent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:28 PM) It absolutely should make a difference. Paterno is an old man, he cant fight this. If he was 30 years younger, you think he goes down this way? At worst the guy made a significant error in judgment that is completely unrelated to his job. At minimum he deserves some sort of investigation/hearing where he can speak with PSU about what actions he took and whether or not he followed the rules of the school. Because he did nothing wrong legally. His age should make a difference? He should be fired regardless. To the bolded - if that's how you want to sum up this whole situation...wow. Read this when you get a moment and aren't concerned strictly with the legality of this s***. http://espn.go.com/espn/commentary/story/_...no-retire-terms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:22 PM) The only acceptable outcome is to railroad some one on a grand jury indictment, where they arent even charged with a crime? Where they didnt even see the crime? Where they only heard about it a day after it happened and reported it to their superiors for further investigation? I think there are a lot of other acceptable outcomes and some of them include not rushing to judgment. I personally think Paterno is done as a coach, but to fire him over this is just an excuse to get rid of the guy. If he was 30 years younger and in his prime, this story has a way different outcome. LOL. Right. A guy directly involved in the non-reporting of repeated child molestation should keep his job. Come on, take off your defense lawyer hat and look at the facts. At least 9 kids were raped right under his nose, and he knew about at least 2 instances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 10:28 PM) At worst the guy made a significant error in judgment that is completely unrelated to his job. Really? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Well, one thing is clear, the Board of Trustees acted in the correct way with cleaning house of the people that were at least aware of the information. All except McQueary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danman31 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (IlliniKrush @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:19 PM) Just turned on ESPN and saw it. Glad someone came to their senses. This was the only acceptable outcome. Agreed. He didn't deserve the forgiving title of retirement. Penn State's board is doing what they can to restore the image of the university. Everyone at PSU is treating him like the Pope. This is unacceptable behavior and they need to show they agree with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IlliniKrush Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Can't wait to see what the dumbs*** students at PSU will do now, some sort of Vancouver-esque riot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Is there any evidence that Paterno witnessed a crime? Any evidence at all. Im seriously asking because you are all taking a grand jury indictment as fact, when its completely bogus. Everyone got their pound of flesh, but what is being done to Paterno isnt right. He isnt the criminal here, he isnt the one that saw a child being abused, he is the guy who reported to his superiors as he is supposed. He had 0 credible evidence to call the police about, its seriously absurd. But yes I get that its far easier to crucify everyone, than to ask yourself, should Paterno be given a fair chance to defend his actions. Im sure you all know at a grand jury you dont get to present any exculpatory evidence, and that a grand jury is nothing like a real trial and that many people are indicted and found innocent. /shrugs I get that it easy to say lets kill Paterno, but some of us have to try and be fair, regardless of how terrible the crime may be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxfest Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 His ass needed fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 09:41 PM) Is there any evidence that Paterno witnessed a crime? Any evidence at all. Im seriously asking because you are all taking a grand jury indictment as fact, when its completely bogus. SO the Grand Jury report is all lies? Do tell. Paterno didnt witness a crime, but he was aware that it occurred, at least twice he was told by people who witnessed it. He and his superiors did NOTHING about it. Thats why they all lost their jobs and for good reason. I wouldnt want people who cannot do the right thing when it comes to crimes against children to represent my organization. Maybe you wouldnt mind it I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zenryan Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 lol, GTFO Paterno. and lol@ whoever thought it would be a good idea to get Paterno out in front of students and then try to tell the BOT that he'd retire at the end of the season so there's no reason to waste the BOT time on discussing this matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 If this was another program and this was NCAA violations instead of child molestation people would be calling for not only firing but the death penalty of the program. What is it about JoePa that makes this such a defensible cover up? Its so strange to see those positions on fb and the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 At a Grand Jury you can present evidence that would not be allowed at trial, such a hearsay evidence from people who never saw the crime, etc. All an indictment does is allow the govt. to actual prosecute the case. Calling a guy guilty after an indictment and taking it for fact, is the equivalent of calling a team the Super Bowl champion because they won their first game. Once again, Paterno reported entirely unreliable evidence to his superiors. He could have called the police, but if he called the police and it turned out this was wrong, he ruined his friends life. Thats not exactly a great position for any human to be in. As you see, even being an alleged child molester is enough to ruin your life. Paterno chose to tell the appropriate people. He chose not to go beyond. Its a terrible tragedy, but destroying Paterno doesnt fix it. It just completely screws the situation, because now Paterno is a villain. The simple fact is that in the future all a coach will do is not report it. Had Paterno just completely covered it up and lied, he never is touchable. Kind of sad. By all accounts Paterno has been nothing but a saint for PSU, we all make mistakes. And even if its entirely true, I still think its hard to justify firing Paterno for not calling the police. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rowand44 Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Nov 9, 2011 -> 10:52 PM) By all accounts Paterno has been nothing but a saint for PSU, we all make mistakes. And even if its entirely true, I still think its hard to justify firing Paterno for not calling the police. Jesus christ man, this is more than f***in mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 This really needs to be put in perspective. Brian Kelly's direct action caused the death of a student, he is still coaching today. There was no talk of ND death penalty. Its crazy how people swarm and want to destroy a guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soxbadger Posted November 10, 2011 Share Posted November 10, 2011 Rowand, If its not a mistake, then what is it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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